Brexit, for once some facts.

[oldgroaner]

The Express are getting worse
"
Brexiteer died HOURS after being battered by ‘bully’ Remainer neighbour over EU referendum"
This is really helpful for everyone, and of course the usual rabid comments from the readership, apparently all remainers are violent

 

[anotherkiwi]

Oh gosh! First the Poles now the Brexiteers are being bumped off, when was the last time you had a civil war?

 

[oldgroaner]

Oh gosh! First the Poles now the Brexiteers are being bumped off, when was the last time you had a civil war?

Never mind the last time when will the press be prosecuted for promoting hatred?

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[Kudoscycles]

It looks like Theresa May has satisfied the boss of Nissan UK that post Brexit she will refund any EU tariffs that are placed upon Nissan on vehicles exported from the UK to the EU. She will have to do same for Honda,Land Rover/Jaguar and won't all the banks claim that loss of passporting has cost them money.
If that is the case it has established a precedent that any of us who export to the EU post Brexit will have the EU tariffs refunded,that will be a very costly exercise to the treasury.
This government seem to be making lots of pledges to lots of people if they lose as a result of Brexit....universities,research chemists,the farmers and now the car industry....this could cost more than £11billion....but don't forget Brexit means Brexit and we are all going to succeed!!!!
KudosDave

 

[trex]

I would actually agree that it's the right thing to support large exporters with concrete measure like refunding their export duty.
Import/export duty is a two way street, they charge, we charge. So by re-imbursing the exporters, we will keep jobs here.

 

[oldgroaner]

I would actually agree that it's the right thing to support large exporters with concrete measure like refunding their export duty.
Import/export duty is a two way street, they charge, we charge. So by re-imbursing the exporters, we will keep jobs here.

Sorry but personally I don't pay taxes to subsidise the profits of a Japanese company, just to make brexit work.
I pay them for services not to support mad schemes and Japan's economy.
So now the money that was promised to the NHS goes into Nissan's shareholders pockets?
This must be the most idiotic idea Mayhem has come in with yet milk the taxpayer and bribe businesses to keep the economy going?
Madness!

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[tillson]

I would actually agree that it's the right thing to support large exporters with concrete measure like refunding their export duty.
Import/export duty is a two way street, they charge, we charge. So by re-imbursing the exporters, we will keep jobs here.

And as we keep being reminded, we import more than we export, so the revenue from our import tariffs will more than off-set the export tariffs and some more besides.

I don't think the EU can afford this, it will cost them jobs. They may try and pass on the import tariffs to U.K. Costomers, but in so doing, could price themselves out of the market.

 

[tillson]

The Express are getting worse
"
Brexiteer died HOURS after being battered by ‘bully’ Remainer neighbour over EU referendum"
This is really helpful for everyone, and of course the usual rabid comments from the readership, apparently all remainers are violent

In exactly the same way that all brexiters are violent.

But the one-way, non return valve of news fitted to your turnip won't allow that to sink in.

 

[trex]

the refunding of duty will fall under state aids legislation. I agree with Tillson that UK can call the EU's bluff on this. As many have already pointed out, it'll be relatively easy to have tariff free access to the Single Market for goods. The main difficulty has always been how to protect our companies selling services to the EU.

 

[oldgroaner]

In exactly the same way that all brexiters are violent.

But the one-way, non return valve of news fitted to your turnip won't allow that to sink in.

Steady tillson that was a quite unprovoked attack on me you slipped in there, and the actual physical attack was just another thug incident , not premeditated murder,they could have been arguing about anything, but the express wanted to stir up factional anger, so the attack was blown up and presented as incendiary material, so that meets with your approval?
Run it past your turnip and see whether you approve of newspapers trying to incite civil disorder.

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[oldgroaner]

And as we keep being reminded, we import more than we export, so the revenue from our import tariffs will more than off-set the export tariffs and some more besides.

I don't think the EU can afford this, it will cost them jobs. They may try and pass on the import tariffs to U.K. Costomers, but in so doing, could price themselves out of the market.

And that might not bother them at all, have you thought of that?

 

[tillson]

And that might not bother them at all, have you thought of that?

I did and I think it will. BMW 20% of all sales are to the UK. Other makes are available.

I think it is in everyone's interest to ensure that trade continues unhindered.

 

[oldgroaner]

I did and I think it will. BMW 20% of all sales are to the UK. Other makes are available.

I think it is in everyone's interest to ensure that trade continues unhindered.

You are as usual forgetting something
"MINI is part of the BMW Group. The United Kingdom is the only country where BMW Group is represented by production plants for all three premium brands - MINI, BMW and Rolls-Royce Motor Cars."
They will not be affected on UK sales if the models are made here, and if not, they soon will be.
Audi manufacture in China,
Mercedes do also , and in Singapore
These companies will simply ship in from there to avoid tariffs.
Sorry to "urinate on that bonfire"

 

[RobF]

Never mind the last time when will the press be prosecuted for promoting hatred?

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It is clear from the evidence given in court the attack started because the Remainer attacker didn't like his victim's Brexit vote.

What do you expect the press to do?

Pretend the poor bloke was banjoed because of the geraniums he was planting in the communal garden?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/brexiter-brutally-beaten-remain-voter-9047676

 

[oldgroaner]

It is clear from the evidence given in court the attack started because the Remainer attacker didn't like his victim's Brexit vote.

What do you expect the press to do?

Pretend the poor bloke was banjoed because of the geraniums he was planting in the communal garden?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/brexiter-brutally-beaten-remain-voter-9047676

I expect the press to report responsibly, remember that this was not a murder , but grievous bodily harm by a known thug, and if you read the reader comments you could see the effect it had in inflaming tensions between public factions, am I to understand you think that is wise and fair at a time like this, the paper is sailing very close to the laws on promoting public disorder with sensational deliberately provocative copy like this.
Do you want mayhem on the streets?
By the way the Pathologist found he suffered fatal breathing difficulties after Alcohol and Drug consumption and the cause of death was given as positional asphyxiation.
It continues "Both men had been drinking that day"
Not quite as presented in the Express is it? where the drink and drugs and cause of death were not mentioned, but the cause of the argument shouted from the rooftops.
Dangerous tactics for the newspapers to employ in difficult times.
The man who committed the attack had previous form on violence.

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[RobF]

The timing of the report is because the case has only just reached court - there is no conspiracy here.

If the Express makes you so cross, why read it?

Once again, even a casual examination of one of your posts reveals it to be no more than histrionics.

You really ought to have some regard to the facts if you want your contributions to be viewed as anything other than worthless.

 

[oldgroaner]

The timing of the report is because the case has only just reached court - there is no conspiracy here.

If the Express makes you so cross, why read it?

Once again, even a casual examination of one of your posts reveals it to be no more than histrionics.

You really ought to have some regard to the facts if you want your contributions to be viewed as anything other than worthless.

The conspiracy is in the use of news being presented to reinforce public attitudes, which if you actually cared to take off your blinkers you would observe is more in the nature of a continuous policy than a plot where the Express is concerned
"You really ought to have some regard to the facts if you want your contributions to be viewed as anything other than worthless"
Perhaps instead of attempting rather amateur put downs you could take your own advice?
I presented you with what facts are available and as seems to be rather typical these days, you simply made that cheap response.
"Once again, even a casual examination of one of your posts reveals it to be no more than histrionics."
Well done that is an excellent self portrait.
So you want the press to make the tension between the leave and remain voters even worse?
Come back when you can make sensible comments.
I was asking for the press to show restraint for the sake of public peace, even an idiot should want that.
Why do I read the Express? to see what a paper that is the enemy of this country is up to of course, The propaganda it promotes is a good measure of how far this society has morally declined

 

[Kudoscycles]

The independent had a recent poll commissioned that said that more Brits now want May to concentrate on a good trade deal and are less concerned about immigration,that is exactly the reverse of a month ago.
I wonder whether now it's hitting the pockets of Leavers they are thinking twice about the politics of this deal and more concerned about the price rises of food,fuel and energy and it hasn't started yet. These voters are leaning towards a soft Brexit but the EU have made it clear that a soft Brexit is not on the menu,it's either out or in.
Under the comments of that independent article there is a lady from Slovenia who echoes my thoughts. You Leavers wanted out,whilst we have been messing about with the terms we want, the EU 27 have been organising themselves assuming we are leaving and now have the attitude that they don't want us anymore.
Far be it from us deciding what we want to leave,if Theresa May takes that poll seriously she will soon have to go cap in hand and plead to keep us in.
Wonder what man from Hartlepool will make of that???
KudosDave

 

[oldgroaner]

The independent had a recent poll commissioned that said that more Brits now want May to concentrate on a good trade deal and are less concerned about immigration,that is exactly the reverse of a month ago.
I wonder whether now it's hitting the pockets of Leavers they are thinking twice about the politics of this deal and more concerned about the price rises of food,fuel and energy and it hasn't started yet. These voters are leaning towards a soft Brexit but the EU have made it clear that a soft Brexit is not on the menu,it's either out or in.
Under the comments of that independent article their is a lady from Slovenia who echoes my thoughts. You Leavers wanted out,whilst we have been messing about with the terms we want, the EU 27 have been organising themselves assuming we are leaving and now have the attitude that they don't want us anymore.
Far be it from us deciding what we want to leave,if Theresa May takes that poll seriously she will have to go cap in hand and plead to keep us in.
Wonder what man from Harlepool will make of that???
KudosDave

Simply sneer and say the EU are bluffing of course, rather than admit their mistake.

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[Kudoscycles]

Simply sneer and say the EU are bluffing of course, rather than admit their mistake.

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I don't think the EU are bluffing,if they stay strong and make life hell for us they are sending the message out to any other countries that are thinking of leaving that out is not a nice place to be.
Also the feedback I get from my EU customers is they are sick to death of the constant whining from the Brits and are best rid of us.
We will still buy BMW or Audi whatever the price.
Personally I have changed my attitude,if we are going to leave lets get on with it,costs will rocket in the UK,there will be a lot of pain for the poor but the damage will be quick rather than a thousand cuts.
Let's hard Brexit immediately,get it over quick.
KudosDave