And services are the bulk of our exports to the EU, we don't make enough for goods to be anything like sufficient to sustain our future.
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Brexit, for once some facts.
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apparently, Johnson wrote this before deciding to back brexit:
"This is a market on our doorstep, ready for further exploitation by British firms. The membership fee seems rather small for all that access.
"Why are we so determined to turn our back on it?"
It still riings true to me.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-secret-pro-eu-article-revealed-expressing-doubts-brexit-a7363781.html
"This is a market on our doorstep, ready for further exploitation by British firms. The membership fee seems rather small for all that access.
"Why are we so determined to turn our back on it?"
It still riings true to me.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-secret-pro-eu-article-revealed-expressing-doubts-brexit-a7363781.html
And in the Dail Mail this morning
"Revealed: Boris Johnson ‘wrote unpublished newspaper column urging Britain to stay in the EU just TWO DAYS before announcing he was pro-Brexit’
What a hero!
but we will have taken back control of it and will be our VAT free to do with it what we want unlike the near half a trillion we have previously contributed.
Like paying it to bribe Nissan and the other foreign manufacturers to stay in this country?
And I would remind you that before the EU purchase tax on luxury items like cars was over 60%
I presume your half a trillion pounds is for all the years we have been members of the EU .
It has actually been far less than that, but So what? At the taxation levels we had before entering it would have been massively higher. At least five times more!
And for your information
Over the seven years from 2007-13, the UK paid over £15.4 billion in VAT contributions to the EU, an average of £2.2 billion a year. This amounts to just under 18 per cent of the the VAT TAX collected, so 82% went to the Treasury.
And you perhaps thought it all went to the EU?
Yet another Brexit Myth
If you think we will pay less tax you are really kidding yourself, and where is the money the NHS was supposed to be getting?
Come off it we will be screwed with higher taxation, and you know it.
And what will we get for it? Nothing we couldn't have had much cheaper, and in all probability cuts to services and jobs for a really silly idea, which is all Brexit is.
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Many people seem totally unaware of the magnitude of revenues earned through the London financial district which forms a major plank of the services sector. The capital has been subsidising the rest of the country for many years and the biggest risk to UK solvency is that the huge volume of monetary trade transacted here disappears to Frankfurt shortly after 'Brexit'.
The subject has already been mentioned on more than one occasion by EU spokespersons as they believe it would be wrong for London, outside of the EU, to continue to have any control or influence of monetary or fiscal policy in Euroland. They have also acknowledged that the UK cannot be seen to benefit from 'Brexit' and therefore, transferring all financial trading and profit generation away from London would be an appropriate punishment as well as a deterrent for other states.
Tom
I am pretty convinced that without a proper mandate, brexit will fail.
It's now clear to me that brexiters fear that a second referendum or parliament or a general election is going to stop their revolution. They are clinging to power without a mandate. When one side of the argument resorts to insults like 'remoaners' - they have probably lost the logical argument.
It's now clear to me that brexiters fear that a second referendum or parliament or a general election is going to stop their revolution. They are clinging to power without a mandate. When one side of the argument resorts to insults like 'remoaners' - they have probably lost the logical argument.
The mandate for us leaving the single market is reducing daily,I wonder how many of the 17 million realised that voting Leave meant leaving the single market. Every Brexiter in the government has clearly been taught how to deflect the question of whether they are intending to keep us in the single market,they keep falling back on the 'will of the people' and 'Brexit means Brexit' or that we are determined 'to get the best deal for business possible',but no definite answer.
Boris is becoming more of a dangerous embarrassment,he is a political tart,selling his body/opinions to that which gives him the most likelihood of him becoming PM. We all knew that he didn't care whether he supported In or out before the referendum,but it is amusing to read his column as to why we should stay in the EU,he was actually quite perceptive his 'scares' have started to become true.
Hammond is becoming a real problem for May,he is trying to square the circle and support May but really he knows that leaving the single market will destroy our economy and his tax take,she is keeping him away from Brexit meetings and the media, frightened that he will speak honestly and take power away from her position. She daren't sack Hammond,but I think he will soon resign,his resignation speech will be seized upon by the Brexit committee inside parliament as a catalyst for a vote on the the terms of Brexit prior to triggering Article 50. This single market decision is really the core of Brexit negotiations,if we want control of free movement of people then we cannot stay in the single market....May and Davis know that we are going to have to leave the single market if we want immigration control (hard Brexit),most of us would find that a suicidal step,but without it that is the end of Brexit and May as Mrs Brexit would have failed,the Tories will get rid of her.
The Leavers are in denial,I agree that they seem to grab catchphrases like ' Remoaners 'and 'You are all losers' but now that project fear is starting to become true they just don't want to admit that their 5 minutes of power will cause so much damage to our country. There were many poor people who thought of their vote as a protest vote against the establishment but are not prepared for it to have such a negative effect on their lifestyle,they thought the opposite would be the outcome,many must be having second thoughts.
KudosDave
Boris is becoming more of a dangerous embarrassment,he is a political tart,selling his body/opinions to that which gives him the most likelihood of him becoming PM. We all knew that he didn't care whether he supported In or out before the referendum,but it is amusing to read his column as to why we should stay in the EU,he was actually quite perceptive his 'scares' have started to become true.
Hammond is becoming a real problem for May,he is trying to square the circle and support May but really he knows that leaving the single market will destroy our economy and his tax take,she is keeping him away from Brexit meetings and the media, frightened that he will speak honestly and take power away from her position. She daren't sack Hammond,but I think he will soon resign,his resignation speech will be seized upon by the Brexit committee inside parliament as a catalyst for a vote on the the terms of Brexit prior to triggering Article 50. This single market decision is really the core of Brexit negotiations,if we want control of free movement of people then we cannot stay in the single market....May and Davis know that we are going to have to leave the single market if we want immigration control (hard Brexit),most of us would find that a suicidal step,but without it that is the end of Brexit and May as Mrs Brexit would have failed,the Tories will get rid of her.
The Leavers are in denial,I agree that they seem to grab catchphrases like ' Remoaners 'and 'You are all losers' but now that project fear is starting to become true they just don't want to admit that their 5 minutes of power will cause so much damage to our country. There were many poor people who thought of their vote as a protest vote against the establishment but are not prepared for it to have such a negative effect on their lifestyle,they thought the opposite would be the outcome,many must be having second thoughts.
KudosDave
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Or perhaps first ones as they simply reacted to the referendum without looking into the problem properly?
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But when the article is taken as a whole, it is pro-leaving. The remain aspects are part of a kind of internal debate with himself over pros and cons of each decision. They have been cherry picked to give a false impression.
I thought you hated this type of reporting. Or is it ok when it suits your agenda?
The problem is that these votes are not specific enough,the original referendum was too broad,the straight in/out vote ignored horrible implications hidden within.
The Labour Party haven't helped,170 questions just dilutes the bullet points within.
The Great Repeal Act,is packaged as a getting back our sovereignty and our own law making,few will argue against that,who in parliament would vote against being able to make our own laws. But hidden inside that is the repeal of the 1972 European communities act,the last opportunity for parliament having its say on the form that Brexit will take,May realises that....I am hoping that parliament realises that May is conning them by masking the most important aspects of her Great Repeal Act.
We should have 2 votes in tandem....vote 1 to repeal the 1972 communities act,if that vote is repealed then we vote 2 ,which should be the Great EU law inclusion act,that doesn't have quite the same ring to it but it is more truthfull.
In the short term parliament should have a simple vote....do we want to stay in the single market with bank passporting post Brexit,yes or no?
KudosDave
The Labour Party haven't helped,170 questions just dilutes the bullet points within.
The Great Repeal Act,is packaged as a getting back our sovereignty and our own law making,few will argue against that,who in parliament would vote against being able to make our own laws. But hidden inside that is the repeal of the 1972 European communities act,the last opportunity for parliament having its say on the form that Brexit will take,May realises that....I am hoping that parliament realises that May is conning them by masking the most important aspects of her Great Repeal Act.
We should have 2 votes in tandem....vote 1 to repeal the 1972 communities act,if that vote is repealed then we vote 2 ,which should be the Great EU law inclusion act,that doesn't have quite the same ring to it but it is more truthfull.
In the short term parliament should have a simple vote....do we want to stay in the single market with bank passporting post Brexit,yes or no?
KudosDave
Tillson do you honestly believe the story that Boris wrote this article to decide on the pros and cons of Leave or Remain,I am sorry but I never thought anyone could be that naive.
It was written by Boris when he had decided that he was going to join the Cameron/Osborne club and a dedicated Remainer.If you remember he left it late in the day to contact Cameron,when he decided that his political aims were best served by becoming a committed Leaver,as things turned out that proved a good decision as foreign secretary in May's team.
Similarly,do you think that May's commitment to hard Brexit is anything to do with furthering benefits to our country? She has made a decision that her political ambitions are currently best served by being the champion of the Leavers,that is a broad church across multi parties,if she went to the country she would win a landslide,that is all she is interested in.
But if the Leavers start having second thoughts,when all the costs of basics start rocketing in price and already we can see the media seem to be moving towards anti-Brexit,especially anti single market. May cannot afford much more anti Brexit and life will get tough for her,politics in the UK are so fluid at present,timing for her is critical.
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Tillson.....have you read the article? It is 100% Remain,I cannot see any points which could be construed as supporting Leaving?
Actually it was a much better article than Project Fear,much simpler and succinct to understand and most of it is now becoming true whereas Project Fear was over the top and not believable,if Boris's article was released at the time the vote may have been reversed.
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you mean Boris as a kind of hamlet figure struggling, philosophically, with his conscience? Thanks for that, internally it gave me cause for much hysterical laughter.
It appears that those who voted Remain and are not happy about the Leave vote are Remoaners. Those who voted Leave at any cost are Brexidiots.
Is there are middle ground?
KudosDave
Is there are middle ground?
KudosDave
So everyone who voted to leave is an idiot and those who voted to stay are wise enlightened people. Guess we know which side you are on
Is that your understanding of what he said? Can you really lack the ability to understand what he meant?
Good grief, frankly if you don't understand something that simple, it's a pity.
Jumping to the wrong conclusion seems to be a habit of yours.
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That's exactly what he said and as usual you are trying to skew it to fit your agenda. Seems to be a habit of yours!!