That's an opinion, and probably as informed as your other opinions.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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One thing derf. I may be wrong, but I'm guessing that English isn't your first language. If that is the case and English is your second language, you make a better job of it than I could do in my second language.
I'm fairly confident that's the case. Alain Juppé is almost certain to shortly become the new French president and his response to Brexit has been to say he will cancel the agreement for our immigration officers to work in France and also close "The Jungle" camp. That will mean they'll just send on everyone wanting to enter the UK and we'll have the problem to sort out in Dover. I can see the attraction for him, it not only gets rid of the problem from France, it gets immigrants right back out of the EU when we exit, making Juppé a hero in Brussels.
Overall it seems the French are very unlikely to be co-operative with us now.
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Nice boat,yes to be honest I have to be here for some work otherwise lovely as it can be I would be elsewhere too.
What are the French doing at Dover?
Over the years the French seem to use Dover-Calais disruption as a protest for all sorts. The fisherman blocking Calais,the farmers blocking the motorways,the dock workers working to rule,the inability to control the migrants from the jungle all are the mechanism of the French using disruption to register their disagreement over something,the fact it disrupts the Brits seems to add to the impact,I think they enjoy doing it.
I bet there is no disruption from France to the UK,yet we should be more concerned about arms coming from Europe into the UK.
If the French are so concerned about arms being smuggled into France,the source of those arms tends to be from the East,so logic would be to check every vehicle on the motorways from Belgium,Luxemburg,Switzerland and Italy,are they doing that? No of course not,I suspect these security checks are a protest about Brexit and letting us know that they will disrupt any negotiations,it's a signal to Boris and Davis.
KudosDave
Thanks yes,now we just have to find a way to agree about the way UK has been responsible for the flood of refugees by destabilising the middle East.
Less of the anal Trex, its inflamatory, yet again from you..
How many people who voted in first referendum all those years ago realised that about 40 years down the line our pm would be fighting for just a little more control of our borders and going cap in hand to foreign powers trying to negotiate a reduction, a task he completely failed on. Its unbelievably ironic to claim leavers have been mislead with history of how eu has developed. Just because you agree with stuff they,ve done is irrelevant. Its the fact eu does now set numbers, quotas etc and not our government. That was never mentioned in 70's ...brcause at time it was not the case.
Stayers now find it acceptable the power for eu to do this is bought with benefits of single market.
The premis is wrong to start with and the blackmailing us to lose border control is also wrong.
Why is my ignore list being ignored. I,ll check?!
I agree with much of that. So do we really want to be in a union with such people? People who weaponise migrants to try and strong arm us into accepting the EU?
The U.K. Showed much solidarity and sympathy with France after the Paris atrocity. Is this their way of building on that offer of friendship and support?
For years there has supposed to have been free movement between France and Spain...yet its only in last 3 years this has been case around Figures/ Balou.. French didn't like tourists and citizens going into Spain for cheap goods/ meals. ( not sure how but Spanish side in Pyrenees is 40% cheaper on almost everything)
Yes in theory check free...busy periods ( shopping days !) would see 2 hr wait returning to France...Check posts closed only 2 years ago...bet they will reopen them.
French utilise policy that suits them...
On the sailing...Coast from Port Vendres to Gruissan is easily windiest I,ve witnesed...You don't seem to get massive seas ( unless Marin/ Southerly) but in spring and Autumn 50kt winds are not unusual.. Tramontane can blow up in 20 mins...and drop in same...can blow for 2 days...sometimes a week...At its strongest its virtually unsailable...even for mental winfsurfers...Had a day out ( in around 20kts) chasing Hydroptere, which had called in Argeles for a week. I,d love to sail that thing...its incredible...Could hang onto it in gusts ( I was windsurfing)...it didn't slow in lulls...just held 30kts or so...superb thing..
Yes in theory check free...busy periods ( shopping days !) would see 2 hr wait returning to France...Check posts closed only 2 years ago...bet they will reopen them.
French utilise policy that suits them...
On the sailing...Coast from Port Vendres to Gruissan is easily windiest I,ve witnesed...You don't seem to get massive seas ( unless Marin/ Southerly) but in spring and Autumn 50kt winds are not unusual.. Tramontane can blow up in 20 mins...and drop in same...can blow for 2 days...sometimes a week...At its strongest its virtually unsailable...even for mental winfsurfers...Had a day out ( in around 20kts) chasing Hydroptere, which had called in Argeles for a week. I,d love to sail that thing...its incredible...Could hang onto it in gusts ( I was windsurfing)...it didn't slow in lulls...just held 30kts or so...superb thing..
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Totally agree,but France is there,I have lots of customers in France,many of them hate buying product from the UK,they only buy off us if they can't buy it from anywhere else,which amuses me.
The French are suffering badly from radilicalisation but the source of that is those who come from very deprived areas,even Nice has its poor areas in the hinterland. We have the same problems in the UK,the bombers who attacked our buses and underground felt they had no future ambition,feeling disfranchised,with a gun or a bomb they felt for once in their life powerful and they believe they are going to a better life when they die.
To overcome these problems we need to give these people a reason to live on this planet,benefits allow them to live but without ambition.
We really need to get together with the French and Germans to address these problems but Brexit will only drive us apart and act in isolation,to my mind that is a big mistake. Post Brexit will us Brits retreat into our own world defending ourselves by our own standards, for young people that will be areal shame...Boris is committing double standards talking friendship with Europe and barriers all at the same moment,the EU are right we want our cake and eat it,we won't get what we want,Merkel will see to that.
KudosDave
But your argument Kudos is based on validity of eu,s overall stance on immigration.
Can it really work that so many can actually utilise free movement ? It's a massive experiment that nobody quite understands the repurcussiobs. Factor in those who are not entitled to free movement (. Ie outside EU) ,, factor in those wishing arm and we have massive social change along with those already disenfranchised, possibility of ISIS members and nobody quite understanding what's happening. Its argued there are 2.5 million Syrians in Turkey , wanting to move to Europe. Now, yes we have a massive obligation to help all but is the answer really just letting folk move ? We assume this is the only solution...but is it..Nobody seems to be looking at it from another perspective. What about development, investment , infrastructure programs ...are we not merely wanting the benefit of cheap labour but justified on humanitarian grounds ??
Perhaps lLuxembourg should be telling all its tax free corporations to move HQ,s to East Europe..to really distribute wealth rather than welcome its disaffected population.???
Can it really work that so many can actually utilise free movement ? It's a massive experiment that nobody quite understands the repurcussiobs. Factor in those who are not entitled to free movement (. Ie outside EU) ,, factor in those wishing arm and we have massive social change along with those already disenfranchised, possibility of ISIS members and nobody quite understanding what's happening. Its argued there are 2.5 million Syrians in Turkey , wanting to move to Europe. Now, yes we have a massive obligation to help all but is the answer really just letting folk move ? We assume this is the only solution...but is it..Nobody seems to be looking at it from another perspective. What about development, investment , infrastructure programs ...are we not merely wanting the benefit of cheap labour but justified on humanitarian grounds ??
Perhaps lLuxembourg should be telling all its tax free corporations to move HQ,s to East Europe..to really distribute wealth rather than welcome its disaffected population.???
How about a universal minimum wage throughout the EU?
KudosDave
Yep..how about building Volkwagens in Albania rathar than Wolfsburg ??
If eu is going to work all the profitable bits need sharing around..!!??? Is it right the wealthy cherry pick poorer for labour, letting them move to low paid jobs ..
Its all lopsided Dave. How many Albanians turn up in Luxembourg wanting banking jobs..nope they cant. They can clean the windows..and be happy we,ve allowed them.in ??? Is that our vision of humanity ?
Well its our eu vision. Free movement where you want but aslong as its where they have jobs nobody else wants..??
We went to local country show yesterday. There was a group next to us moaning about brexit. One of the ladies (using term loosely) actually said
" where on earth will our next nanny come from ?" . To be fair we did notice quote a stony silence afterwards.
Panic over. Ignore function restored. Ignorance is bliss. ( must be some happy stayers...SMILIE)
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The Beeb interviewed a group of alcoholics in a soup kitchen in Blackpool,they all said they voted Brexit to get jobs....yeh,it's the EE workers who are stopping these guys getting jobs,haha.
Who is going to clean our cars if we don't let the Romanians in,perhaps under the points system it will be educated car cleaners....only joking!!!!!!
KudosDave
Who is going to clean our cars if we don't let the Romanians in,perhaps under the points system it will be educated car cleaners....only joking!!!!!!
KudosDave
That why you elect them, remember? or are you going for a referendum every time a decision has to be made? good luck with that!
Interestingly the Skoda I drive seems to have been a huge benefit to the locals making a badged Volkswagen, and how you can come out with that sort of rubbish
"If eu is going to work all the profitable bits need sharing around..!!???"
when BMW and Nissan manufacture in this country, it shows just how deeply you have thought that through, as usual not very deeply.
Are you suggesting Nissan and BMW go home? what will this wonderful country do then?
And that's an example of a Brexit fan's understanding of economics is it?
Rather a pity that the Government managed to "lose" so many of them, isn't it?
How many thousands disappeared?
And an even bigger pity that the policy of setting the middle east on fire with wars that we have no business waging set the people who came on the road too.
The German Volkswagen Group is the largest automaker in the world as of 2015. As of February 2010 it had 61 production plants and factories in fifteen European countries, along with six countries in the Americas, plus Asia, and Africa. The Group employs nearly 370,000 people around the world who produce motor vehicles and related major components for sale in over 150 countries around the globe.
They seem to have set their sights far higher than just Albania!
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Even the Daily Mail is "at it"
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Finally an EU deal on immigration! Plan to offer Britain a seven-year migration opt-out which would still give UK access to Europe's single market
However, no doubt with the right amount of propaganda they wuff and wag their tails like good little dogs as usual when the powers that be spoil their Brexit dreams.
(Or knowing the Mail and Express only supporting reader responses will get past the moderators)
Lets face it it's all turning into a big let down.
(As was intended all along)
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Finally an EU deal on immigration! Plan to offer Britain a seven-year migration opt-out which would still give UK access to Europe's single market
- Senior British officials say plans for emergency brake are 'on the table'
- Could keep UK in lucrative single market and access to 500m Europeans
- Dutch and Italian officials say their governments would back the move
- Boris Johnson confident of keeping Britain in single market and curbing freedom of movement "
However, no doubt with the right amount of propaganda they wuff and wag their tails like good little dogs as usual when the powers that be spoil their Brexit dreams.
(Or knowing the Mail and Express only supporting reader responses will get past the moderators)
Lets face it it's all turning into a big let down.
(As was intended all along)