I disagree.
Boat talk or repetitive arguments laced with personal insults.
Let's relax and talk 6 knots on a beam reach.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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Boat talk or repetitive arguments laced with personal insults.
Let's relax and talk 6 knots on a beam reach.
OG....is that Daily Mail EU deal if we stay in or Brexit?
If we got a 7 year deal controlling immigration that surely would answer what a large percentage of Leave voters wanted. If that is true it just says that Cameron wasn't brave enough what he asked for and we could have avoided all this as the Remain voters would have easily won.
However,if such a deal could only be achieved after we voted Leave,then Boris was probably right when he suggested that was the only way we would get what we wanted.
But it is the Daily Mail,first rule of creative journalism,don't let the truth get in the way of a good story,hehe!
KudosDave
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It seems to indicate that the 7 year deal would be if we left the EU. But it is a Daily Fail report, so place as much credibility on that as you feel able.
My reading is that this is an exit deal, but Boris wants more than that, and to keep us in from the tone of his words.
No 26 kts cross wind..windsurfers don't do beams and stuff...just up and down...port and starboard but most have trouble with that..
Fair point bit you get mine ...offering escape routes to get a living is hardly a solution. Going in and sorting, helping,investing , creating would be more beneficial...but would create competition ???
But don't forget their little disgrace ...lying about emmisions...think they had to stop many projects and sell off parts of commercial organisation to offset costs.. They aren't philanthropic flecc. Its to make cash...which is fine..
I'm with you all the way on this Tillson that's pretty much how it struck me, but remember is is in both Sunday Express.
This is the Guardian's take on it
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While the plan will prove highly controversial in many member states, including France, Poland and other central and eastern European nations, the attraction is that it would limit the economic shock to the EU economy from Brexit by keeping the UK in the single market, and lessen the political damage to the European project that would result from complete divorce.
High-ranking UK officials said that while it was “very early days”, some form of extended emergency brake was “certainly one of the ideas now on the table”.
Any such agreement would, however, mean the UK would still have to pay a substantial contribution into the EU budget, although probably at a lower rate, and would lose its seat at the negotiating table when rules on the single market were determined, because it would not be a full member of the union."
The last paragraph is interesting...
Possibly we will have a general election as I don't thing the Government would be enchanted with another referendum on "Brinout"?
Perhaps the answer is to say out with the intention of in on the cheap with our mouths taped up so we can't cause any further trouble.
Ideal from the EU point of view.
But from ours?
I fully agree all points Flud, indeed I wondered if you couldn't see why pristine Albania should escape all the pollution and considered VW to be a quick fix to correct that.
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Very clever Flecc...nice one.I fully agree all points Flud, indeed I wondered if you couldn't see why pristine Albania should escape all the pollution and considered VW to be a quick fix to correct that.
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But perhaps when central Europe is clogged with smoke and Albania empty...we could move over there...??? Could be eu's long term.plan.. Keep Albania and Greece free from mucky old industry for the future..??
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Here's a sobering view.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-eu-referendum-us-special-relationship-britain-will-never-be-a-global-power-again-a7150066.html
Actually if that stops our wars of aggression in the middle east, that could be one positive to come out of Brexit, and let's get rid of Trident too.
Now we are no longer important anymore our reduced status means we don't need these dangerous toys and cant afford them anyway, and why should the Americans want us to have them?
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-eu-referendum-us-special-relationship-britain-will-never-be-a-global-power-again-a7150066.html
Actually if that stops our wars of aggression in the middle east, that could be one positive to come out of Brexit, and let's get rid of Trident too.
Now we are no longer important anymore our reduced status means we don't need these dangerous toys and cant afford them anyway, and why should the Americans want us to have them?
I'm sure there is an element of that in it flecc and I suspect if we formally instigate our exit intention through Article 50, the future for travellers heading to the French and possibly the other easily accessible ports may be quite unpleasant.
The surprise for me is that so many wish to take their British-plated vehicles into France at the present time, given the long-standing turmoil in Calais and to a large degree elsewhere in France. I firmly believe, sadly, that those travellers are putting themselves in harm's way but it is their choice.
Tom
I suspect that they, like the Americans, are unaware that the rest of the world for some unknown reason, doesn't hold the same warm feeling we have for our own superiority, and right to dump long standing alliances and snub our friends for nonsensical and selfish reasons.
Why would anyone resent that?
All they had to do was agree to our demands after all.
Disgraceful!
And here is another disaster about to be implemented
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Chancellor Philip Hammond has begun discussions with China on an ambitious free trade deal which could see greater access for major Chinese banks and businesses to the UK economy.
The Chancellor told the BBC it was time to explore "new opportunities" across the world, including with China, one of the UK's biggest inward investors.
That is despite a short term economic shock from leaving the European Union."
Time to learn Mandarin and learn to KowTow to your new masters, has this country utterly taken leave of it's senses?
We pretend the EU dictates to us to become willing slaves of the Chinese?
Pretty soon we will own NOTHING WHATSOEVER.
And what has Teresa May said about China in the past?
25th April 2016"
But this is all about trade with Europe. What about trade with the rest of the world? It is tempting to look at developing countries’ economies, with their high growth rates, and see them as an alternative to trade with Europe. But just look at the reality of our trading relationship with China - with its dumping policies, protective tariffs and industrial-scale industrial espionage. And look at the figures. We export more to Ireland than we do to China, almost twice as much to Belgium as we do to India, and nearly 3 times as much to Sweden as we do to Brazil. It is not realistic to think we could just replace European trade with these new markets."
She was right then, can she be right now with the opposite point of view? how many more lies before people realise what is going on?
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Chancellor Philip Hammond has begun discussions with China on an ambitious free trade deal which could see greater access for major Chinese banks and businesses to the UK economy.
The Chancellor told the BBC it was time to explore "new opportunities" across the world, including with China, one of the UK's biggest inward investors.
That is despite a short term economic shock from leaving the European Union."
Time to learn Mandarin and learn to KowTow to your new masters, has this country utterly taken leave of it's senses?
We pretend the EU dictates to us to become willing slaves of the Chinese?
Pretty soon we will own NOTHING WHATSOEVER.
And what has Teresa May said about China in the past?
25th April 2016"
But this is all about trade with Europe. What about trade with the rest of the world? It is tempting to look at developing countries’ economies, with their high growth rates, and see them as an alternative to trade with Europe. But just look at the reality of our trading relationship with China - with its dumping policies, protective tariffs and industrial-scale industrial espionage. And look at the figures. We export more to Ireland than we do to China, almost twice as much to Belgium as we do to India, and nearly 3 times as much to Sweden as we do to Brazil. It is not realistic to think we could just replace European trade with these new markets."
She was right then, can she be right now with the opposite point of view? how many more lies before people realise what is going on?
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At risk of derailing thread,what was the contest like? It seems much a long passage cruiser,like a rival?
That's so true but would never have happened without Blair or with a referendum.
I,d bet under 20% of population wanted that war...but we got it.!
Not sure what you are asking above derf? Sorry..
The Goodness is Flowing
"Rolls-Royce will suffer a £2bn writedown this week as a result of the fall in sterling since the EU referendum result, according to analysts.
Rolls-Royce booked a £1bn charge on those forex contracts when the pound fell 8 cents against the dollar. Sterling has now fallen 16 cents compared with last year, leading analysts to expect a £2bn charge.
The company, which employs 23,000 workers in the UK, said last month that it expected underlying profit for the first six months of 2016 to be close to breakeven.
Analysts expect the charge will drag the FTSE 100 firm to a loss when it reports first-half results on Thursday."
Fortunately none of this is real money.........is it?
"Rolls-Royce will suffer a £2bn writedown this week as a result of the fall in sterling since the EU referendum result, according to analysts.
Rolls-Royce booked a £1bn charge on those forex contracts when the pound fell 8 cents against the dollar. Sterling has now fallen 16 cents compared with last year, leading analysts to expect a £2bn charge.
The company, which employs 23,000 workers in the UK, said last month that it expected underlying profit for the first six months of 2016 to be close to breakeven.
Analysts expect the charge will drag the FTSE 100 firm to a loss when it reports first-half results on Thursday."
Fortunately none of this is real money.........is it?