How about out is out, Norway plus is not out, you guys are desperate for any sign that you can interpret as " it's not really going to happen is it"
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At this point for your own sanity, you better try objective reasoning instead of just trying to justify your positions, this is what is wrong with this threadTrue, and we just have to see which way she sticks that nose
take us out, and loose the next general election because we'll be in recession and Labour will be a lot stronger by then...
How exactly do you think labour will be stronger, don't make me laugh
or keep us in, and have 2 years to hope that the tory voters forgive her for forgetting about the referendum.
You assume that all brexiteers were Torres, I don't think so, as the votes where particularly strong in traditional labour areas
The main game for her now is keeping in power...
Interesting times indeed.
And before you just decry my comment which is not slanted one way or the other just think about your own statements. The thread would benefit
I quote, this was the first response to your first postNot true of course, but at least it pleased Flud, so you have at least one friend, which must be a new experience, and comes highly recommended.
You really need to get that anger under control, and learn to debate like a "Grown up"
"I'm sorry, but I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about"
And you know I still don't have a clue what you are talking about, or more importantly what motivates you, why are you on this thread?
Norway is not in the EU, they are out. I think it's you who seem desperate to try to prove that a total departure is the only thing possible.
It's not, there are many forms of being out of the EU, and Norway's is one of them. It's called EFTA, and I wouldn't bet against us joining it.
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As many on here hoping for some kind of remain deal, already admit a Norway deal is a complete waste of time, it comes with same conditions and no benefits, so why do it just so we can remain under EU control
No, out is out, and stop denigrating the Uk with this negative attitude that it is all we can get or expect and we should be grateful
It's people like you that would have sucked up to Hitler, in the no doubt wise and profound view that it's as good as we could hope for.
If you really want to be in the EU so bad, just move there, I would be interested which country you would choose, I doubt it would be sun and poverty
I completely agree that it would be a complete waste of time and have posted as such.
I'm not being negative since it would not be my choice, I'm just anticipating the sort of option a typical politician and party will take to remain in power. Look at the reality, the government party and three opposition parties all being Remainers, with one party a Leaver with just one MP. Or individually a large majority of MPs being Remainers.
Add to that the fear of the backlash from the electorate if leaving does go sour, and we have a recipe for politicians playing safe by not straying too far.
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Interesting that Siemens - who manufacture stuff in this country - has decided Brexit will not be the calamity predicted by Kudos Dave and KTM Col.
Both of whom base their businesses on cheap labour abroad and a favourable exchange rate for importing.
An economic climate which makes manufacturing in this country a more viable option is surely a good thing.
Not that I wish Dave and Col anything other than continued success, hopefully a way can be found for both types of business to prosper.
Seems to me Siemens is taking the right approach, no moaning or straw-clutching, all they want to know about Brexit is: Can we make a profit from it?
Do you really think it is in the interests of this country and our whole democratic process at this stage for ANY PARTY to now take the view that it should ignore the result of the referendum and refuse to take necessary steps whether they be article 50 or whatever and refuse to proceed towards exit.
Just as the Labour Party has descended into political farce and is now in the hands of the far left militant tendancy under any other name, it would lead to the complete breakup of any mainstream party and put us in the hands of all sorts of extreme groups including far right.
In effect the disintegration of government as we know it
The people were clearly given the decision to make, to renage on that in any form, will without doubt destroy democracy in this country
It is at this point it is incumbent on any MP of any political leaning to think of the bigger picture and act for the country as a whole
I hope as demonstrated by the citizens of this country, our parliament is up to that challenge, because it is not just down to the government most likely. but I admit I have my concerns. If only from my experience of the radical views being expressed on this thread, Ie doctrine without judgement or pragmatism.
Clearly you haven't spent the past ten years in the same constitutional monarchy/Westminster system as me.
What a strange statement because clearly I have. The difference is simply that whilst it is not perfect and depends on whether you got what you voted for, I think it has been reasonably successful. Not in solving all societies ills which you can surely wait for heaven , but compared to most countries we are very lucky indeed
And I don't decry the plight of the less well off, but it's not just about good intentions, it's about delivery
And the left have no better record in that than the right, and I hope you will give me the good grace of noting I did not differentiate between left and right for the purposes of this post, which is not point I am trying to make
Just don't slag off our democracy too lightly, it is better than most and a lot better than some, including in Europe and the EU
What business is that of yours, that you imagine yourself in any position to ask?
Brendan do give up with your nonsense. debate if you must, don't just ramble and bluster.
Apparently only locally
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Mr Maier said: "We're just going to have to accept there is going to be uncertainty. In that period of uncertainty look for opportunities to offset those barriers.
"We can give a lot of reassurance, particularly with what we have here (in the UK) today. We have 13 factories, we are totally committed to them, we see a good market here. But any future investments we might be thinking about, certainly in terms of new activities to export business, we don't know what the trading arrangements are.
"One example is our Hull blade manufacturing facility that we are building right now, creating 1,000 jobs. The good news is those 1,000 jobs that we are going to create, we are totally committed to.
"But actually the really big prize was always exporting that technology and not just our blades but to build a whole new industry around Hull and the Humber to be exporting technology for offshore wind turbines and that is going to be much more difficult to achieve in the short term. I'm hoping well find ways to do that in the long term but right now , its just a little bit uncertain."
And he also said this
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THE Siemens boss driving huge investment in Hull has admitted that he has been subjected to "xenophobic" abuse and said he wanted it "rooted out" of society in the wake of the divisive Brexit vote.
German-born Juergen Maier, Siemens chief executive in the UK, has lived in Britain for more than 40-years but said he had still been subject to racist comments.
And he said: "It has not been great for Great Britain."
So much for the Local Brexit supporters level of intelligence, eh? or is someone going to suggest this is being done by Remain supporters?
Since the vote for Brexit was two to one in Favour of leaving the EU, in Hull it isn't very likely, is it?
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Bound to happen sooner or later.
Here's another one - I picture Old Groaner as Hitler in his bunker, ranting and raving while no one listens.
Shouting now? do give up Brendan, you don't have to make yourself look foolish, it's far too late for that.
No, and I haven't said that. I've posted several times that we will proceed towards exit and complete that process in due course. But I've also maintained that the form that departure will take might well upset many.
It could well be the Norway option in some form, which is out but only just, and I wouldn't bet against that since it's just so convenient for the politicians. Of course it would have to be dressed up in a presentable way but that should be well within their skills. By the time we reach that stage the people will be heartily sick of the whole thing anyway so most will not be stirred into protest.
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Another one playing the Hitler card? surely the last resort of a loser.
Really how very imaginative of you, and what leads you to make that comparison?
Another poor attempt at a put down based on nothing but self delusion, you can do better than that surely?
Or is the debate something you feel unable to take part in, and this silly innuendo is all you have to contribute?
This rambling is infectious Brendan. I was about to say I come from a sunny, impoverished bit of the EU, and its surprisingly good there (none of the plastic chaired prostitutes flud has such compelling fantasies about). I'd have no reservations going back there. Perhaps lower income,but frankly so much better quality of life. But apologies I am rambling as well now.
That's for certain. Having destroyed our own domestic turbine blade manufacture and our train manufacturing industry, taking all that business and supplying our trains and turbines, they now make just some blades here.
Talk about crumbs from the table.
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