Brexit, for once some facts.

[tillson]

but brexit was about anti-immigration.

Wrong!

One element, of many, was about controlling immigration, not ending it. I know you want to portray BREXIT as being anti Johnny Foreigner and having a send 'em all back predilection, that much is evident from the tone of your posts. However that is a dishonest and misleading accusation.

The BREXIT take on immigration works something like this: Assume for one moment that the country has an oversupply of welders, but a shortage of brick layers. The BREXIT plan is to give a priority to enter the country to those with brick laying skills. You can substitute the words brick layer or welder with other jobs, like Nurse or Teacher or Vehicle Technician. Do you get the idea?

Nobody has said that they are going to send anyone home or slam and doors shut, its about control and targeting those with the skills we need at any particular time.

Now I know you are well aware of what I have written and I know that you understand it. You know, because that is all that has ever been spoken about by the BREXIT campaign. Now lets stop twisting things to satisfy a particular agenda.

 

[tillson]

Hot press

""Antarctic hole beings to heal"

See all you remainers, just have a little faith

... and its entirely due to the BREXIT vote last week. Up until that point, the hole was actually getting bigger.

 

[flecc]

Fortunately there are some people who regard work more worthy than living like a Mississippi gambler
No wonder that you want them to buckle down and make it work, so you don't have to.
Very laudable
[emoji1]

My working life starting at 14 spanned 40 years, but was only 38 years of work since I twice took a year off, once after 10 years working, the second after a further 12 working years.

My ambition is to make it to 92 years old, since that will mean 38 years of retirement for that 38 years of work.
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[oldgroaner]

My working life starting at 14 spanned 40 years, but was only 38 years of work since I twice took a year off, once after 10 years working, the second after a further 12 working years.

My ambition is to make it to 92 years old, since that will mean 38 years of retirement for that 38 years of work.
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Then you have a good defence, so apologies are in order in your case, and I offer them, but not all do, do they? and they do live, and very well at that in the manner I described.
In my case my working life was 45 years from age 15 till cancer and asbestosis derailed the wagon the former is in remission and the latter? who knows.

 

[(NoLongerRegistered#15675)]

Excellent!

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And there I was thinking you believed in democracy...and to be fair you are actually doing feck all about your misguided principles. Posting on here to a group of people who generally support staying is rather an excuse for doing something about it. Keyboard activist ??
But thanks for pointing out the hypocrisy in fleccs post.He,ll really appreciate that..
Yes the dissent in your camp is showing !!;

KTM
By your reasoning 52% of voting public are xenophobic ??? Same old same old. Call the stayers racist, xenophobic or misguided..
And much as my reasoning was nothing to do with immigration( apart from thinking 2nd richest nation in world ( by gdp per person) should be playing their part..I,d like to add in support of your plasterer mate...its easy to support immigration when it has zero impact on you. If our jobs / livings wete under threat suspect we,d both be seeing things more from his point of view.

 

[oldgroaner]

And there I was thinking you believed in democracy...and to be fair you are actually doing feck all about your misguided principles. Posting on here to a group of people who generally support staying is rather an excuse for doing something about it. Keyboard activist ??
But thanks for pointing out the hypocrisy in fleccs post.He,ll really appreciate that..
Yes the dissent in your camp is showing !!;

KTM
By your reasoning 52% of voting public are xenophobic ??? Same old same old. Call the stayers racist, xenophobic or misguided..
And much as my reasoning was nothing to do with immigration( apart from thinking 2nd richest nation in world ( by gdp per person) should be playing their part..I,d like to add in support of your plasterer mate...its easy to support immigration when it has zero impact on you. If our jobs / livings wete under threat suspect we,d both be seeing things more from his point of view.

Whats the matter flud? did the description come too close to home? And once again you jump to conclusions about my actions and intentions.
You really should get that imagination under control.
Flecc and I are not at all in dissent though your imagination seems to want to imagine that is so.
For a guy who allegedly plays the stock market you skills at addition are lacking as there isn't a majority of stay supporters on here.
In the meantime keep up the clarion call for others to work to make your dream come true.

 

[KTM Bike Industries UK]

KTM
By your reasoning 52% of voting public are xenophobic ??? Same old same old. Call the stayers racist, xenophobic or misguided..
And much as my reasoning was nothing to do with immigration( apart from thinking 2nd richest nation in world ( by gdp per person) should be playing their part..I,d like to add in support of your plasterer mate...its easy to support immigration when it has zero impact on you. If our jobs / livings wete under threat suspect we,d both be seeing things more from his point of view.

no, I didn't say that. I even said that there are a couple of people I know who do have reasons that aren't "we're full" or "we can use the money for other things" and they are things to do with democracy etc etc.

So yes, I'll happy call almost everyone who voted leave misguided, but there are definitely a % of those who voted leave who are xenophobic, and a smaller % again who are flat out racist.

You can't argue with that.

Immigration does have an impact on me, just as emmigration does. The key is I don't blame it for any problems in my life.

 

[soundwave]

well my new 500w batt cost no more than the price listed 699.

 

[trex]

were there 1.4 millions who voted out because of other reasons than their dislike of the EU? like austerity, xenophobia? it seems likely to me.

 

[flecc]

But thanks for pointing out the hypocrisy in fleccs post.

You'll need to explain Flud, I'm unaware of any hypocrisy in my post or position. Perhaps you can enlighten me?
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[(NoLongerRegistered#15675)]

were there 1.4 millions who voted out because of other reasons than their dislike of the EU? like austerity, xenophobia? it seems likely to me.

There will be a percentage of voters or either side who are criminals / gangsters ( insertvwhatever group you wish)but so what ?

 

[BrendanJ]

There will be a percentage of voters or either side who are criminals / gangsters ( insertvwhatever group you wish)but so what ?

Well I for one sent in 1.4 million postal votes, but I forgot to put a stamp on them

 

[oldgroaner]

Well I for one sent in 1.4 million postal votes, but I forgot to put a stamp on them

Putin would have paid for them if you asked

 

[oldgroaner]

... and its entirely due to the BREXIT vote last week. Up until that point, the hole was actually getting bigger.

Clearly the updraft of hot air did the trick

 

[oldgroaner]

There will be a percentage of voters or either side who are criminals / gangsters ( insertvwhatever group you wish)but so what ?

In other words politicians

 

[oldgroaner]

were there 1.4 millions who voted out because of other reasons than their dislike of the EU? like austerity, xenophobia? it seems likely to me.

I suspect a much higher than that number just wanted to protest in a general fashion and were against anything call me Dave was for.
Round here the Campaign bus slogan certainly was accepted as a genuine promise, and right or wrong the locals thought that they were voting to put a stop to immigration and to poke Cameron in the eye
Hull overwhelmingly voted for Brexit nearly 2:1
This CNN report of four days ago is interesting.
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/27/europe/happy-brexit-hull/
This was on the 27th and a lot has happened since then
The number who considered immigration was the biggest problem, and were protesting about both that and the government give the lie to any theory that voters either understood or cared about the economy or even what the EU is or does.
Now the promises have been watered down ...imagine how that has gone down.

 

[(NoLongerRegistered#15675)]

In other words politicians

Agreed , yes politicians voted for both sides ??
What has become clear is that much as there must be bigots in both camps the ones in remain camp seem rather more vocal on here.

Flecc. Perhaps not so hypocritical but certainly contradictory.
Have you started a ftse 100 company earning you literally millions( ie your claim better than Peter Hargreaves, or somehow more informed) or have you had a fairly normal working life. ??
It was rather a silly claim flecc. ( Ps I retired at 51 ( from employment)but so what and I would not be so arrogant to assume equal knowledge to likes of Hargreaves)

This thread is going around and around...

 

[oldgroaner]

Agreed , yes politicians voted for both sides ??
What has become clear is that much as there must be bigots in both camps the ones in remain camp seem rather more vocal on here.

Flecc. Perhaps not so hypocritical but certainly contradictory.
Have you started a ftse 100 company earning you literally millions( ie your claim better than Peter Hargreaves, or somehow more informed) or have you had a fairly normal working life. ??
It was rather a silly claim flecc. ( Ps I retired at 51 ( from employment)but so what and I would not be so arrogant to assume equal knowledge to likes of Hargreaves)

This thread is going around and around...

Oh now that is funny, because I point out that I believe your decision is foolish and misguided you feel obliged to made a sideways allusion that I am a Bigot?
Would you like a dictionary for Christmas?
If opposing a point of view constitutes Bigotry then I could feel justified in making this remark...
Want to see a Bigot? a mirror will help.
However since I know that assertion isn't true I will use a more appropriate response.
Please ensure the brain is engaged before putting the mouth in gear.
And some of us are more concerned with serious matters concerning the future and well being of the people of this country than in a squalid scramble to make oneself rich at the expense of others.
You should have grown out of being driven by greed at your age.
Yet every utterance concerns creating wealth, doesn't it?
The paramount concern is the welfare safety and future of the people, not protection of the privileges of the view, and that is after all is what the main body of the Brexit voters thought they were going to get, not empty promises to serve the interests of an elite.

 

[trex]

Do you think Gove and Leadsom have a credible plan?

 

[oldgroaner]

Do you think Gove and Leadsom have a credible plan?

Absolutely, they will ensure no one gets between them and the nearest fire exit at all times.

On second thoughts the may do as Woody Allen once said employ a cunning strategem.

"Instantly I reverted to the old Navaho Indian trick of screaming and begging."
Simples!