Apparently you are ignoring current events and forgetting we haven't left yet, but things are going downhill already.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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According to the newspapers, who have a vested interest in stirring up trouble, and the Government who insist we keep bombing the countries they come from driving them out.
interestingly skewed logic, the the 54% who voted to leave were from the faction of the population that bothered to vote and only represent 30% of the population.
Anyone can make figures tell a story that suits them
Haven't the faintest idea, ah well, no problem there, you are not alone as the Government hasn't either and the advice to emigrate is for a better future.
I don't need to cut and paste, an understanding of the situation is all that is needed.
Whereas arriving at a Leave vote only required no thinking at all, just willingness to make a Bet on everyone around you's future?
And then you get cocky about it and quote fake pseudo science as if that supports it?
Like most leavers you have no valid arguments of reasoning that supports the damaging and pointless bet you made when voting leave.
You believed lies and false promises.
Fair enough you made a mistake, but try to justify it with rational well thought out arguments, not bluster.
From the Guardian this morning
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David Davis linked to City trader fined for insider dealing
Brexit secretary supported banker Ian Hannam in court after accepting lucrative post at his company
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/aug/12/david-davis-linked-to-city-trader-fined-for-insider-dealing
No problem pretty much what we can expect a lot more of, after all what are they debating at this time?
From the Independent
"This week we have discovered, for instance, that British citizens will no longer be able to sue the government for breaking the law.We will lose our rights, if the government gets its way, to sue for compensation in court when the government acts illegally and infringes our rights at work, or our right to a clean and healthy environment.
Currently, a European ruling means an individual can seek damages if the government has failed to properly implement the law. But the government says that no similar domestic law exists, so there will be no legal mechanism to get such redress in future.
There will be plenty more where this comes from. The Great Repeal Bill, after all, awards our government powers that no modern government has enjoyed in peacetime. And far from simply changing the words “European Union” into “United Kingdom”, ministers will gain the ability to make radical changes to fundamental human rights and environmental protections that simply don’t make sense when taken out of an EU context.
Voted Brexit? but of course you won't believe this is happening will you?
This is what "Taking back Control" really means
They are taking back control from you and me.
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David Davis linked to City trader fined for insider dealing
Brexit secretary supported banker Ian Hannam in court after accepting lucrative post at his company
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/aug/12/david-davis-linked-to-city-trader-fined-for-insider-dealing
No problem pretty much what we can expect a lot more of, after all what are they debating at this time?
From the Independent
"This week we have discovered, for instance, that British citizens will no longer be able to sue the government for breaking the law.We will lose our rights, if the government gets its way, to sue for compensation in court when the government acts illegally and infringes our rights at work, or our right to a clean and healthy environment.
Currently, a European ruling means an individual can seek damages if the government has failed to properly implement the law. But the government says that no similar domestic law exists, so there will be no legal mechanism to get such redress in future.
There will be plenty more where this comes from. The Great Repeal Bill, after all, awards our government powers that no modern government has enjoyed in peacetime. And far from simply changing the words “European Union” into “United Kingdom”, ministers will gain the ability to make radical changes to fundamental human rights and environmental protections that simply don’t make sense when taken out of an EU context.
Voted Brexit? but of course you won't believe this is happening will you?
This is what "Taking back Control" really means
They are taking back control from you and me.
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which is just what I alluded to earlier.. Most of the MP's, people in power and the rich and famous can be caught out doing dodgy stuff, but what and how it is reported depends on which paper you read. And, more than once in this thread hasnt it been suggested that the Brexit voters believed too much of what was in print?
Are you saying they didn't fall for lies and false promises? have you forgotten that the leader of the leave campaign admitted that the lie about the £350 million pounds that we could have spent on the NHS was the critical lie that swayed to vote for leave? to give the tiny 4% majority it got?
What became of the million Turks about to come in?
And of course why are the any non EU refugees and "immigrants" that we have full control of not stopped by the Government, or the EU immigrants who can legally be turfed out if after three months they haven't found work and have no means of support been sent home?
The answer is because the Government is at fault not the EU, yet you still trust them to do the right thing when you know they have no intention now or ever to do so?
And for that matter, how many of the "lies" of the remain campaign were in fact not lies, but simply taking longer to come true?
Remember they were all conditional on the expectation of tendering article 50 the next Monday and immediately negotiating to leave.
Whereas every single promise made by the leave campaigners have all fallen to pieces , and in some cases been denied.
Now where are we?
Show me some positive signs that all will work out for the better, but base them on facts rather than fantasies.
In answer to your question
"hasnt it been suggested that the Brexit voters believed too much of what was in print?"
Yes, indeed it has and I am one of those who did so, as the fact is it is true, they were guilty of failing to check the truth behind the lies and false promises, and amazingly still are!
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Oh, 'quelle surprise'! The creature who has been proven to be probably a bigger liar than Tom Pepper, has just popped up again on 'Twitter' with this piece:
Unbelievable!
Regardless, if anyone should be thinking of somewhere else to live after 'Brexit' ruins what is left of the UK, I should think twice about migrating to Finland. Here are the facts you need to know:
Meanwhile, the realisation that the British have really lost the plot has spread even beyond the 27 other sovereign EU nation states to Switzerland:
Back in the UK, one might ask who is really leading this country - is this the answer?
Tom
Unbelievable!
Regardless, if anyone should be thinking of somewhere else to live after 'Brexit' ruins what is left of the UK, I should think twice about migrating to Finland. Here are the facts you need to know:
Meanwhile, the realisation that the British have really lost the plot has spread even beyond the 27 other sovereign EU nation states to Switzerland:
Back in the UK, one might ask who is really leading this country - is this the answer?
Tom
Unlike a lot of others who seem to have an uncanny ability to know the what and why of other people's thoughts, I can only speak for myself and I decided on a leave vote as soon as it was announced, assuming all the players on both side were lying as they always do. After watching the debates the only thing that sticks in my mind is Sadiq Khan's personal assault on Boris Johnson which seemed unrelated to the brexit issue with the rest of it fading from memory by the next day, so I wasn't swayed by the tv debates at all. But there again I am one of these of below average intelligence who don't know their place and shouldnt be allowed to vote on big issues.
Oh no, not the old "I am a victim, people are against me" response again, and you confirm that you made a decision on the basis of one politician attacking another?
Was that all? really? if so then you have in fact confirmed my assertions to be correct, it's not a case of your being below average intelligence and "Shouldn't be allowed to vote"
The fact is you ignored all sources of information by your own admittance, failed to take due diligence, and look into the circumstances and likely outcome of a leave vote, didn't you?
It was all done on a "Hunch", or "Bet" rather than a logical thought out choice, which of course you have every right to do.
And I have every right to be critical of too.
We all have to live through the consequential damage the Brexit vote has done whether we like it or not, but don't expect applause, nor much in the way of sympathy afterwards.
Try reading my post again.. I said I made my decision before the debates and the Sadiq Khan attack on Boris Johnson was noteworthy because it's the only thing that really grabbed my attention.
If I were to be swayed by all the information from experts who should I believe?
I watched a programme made by the leave team that analised why they lost and they decided that project fear was a big mistake .
Perhaps it was a mistake, but the shame is that parts of it are already proving to be project reality aren't they?
Euratom, and several other things we take for granted for instance.
the EU is built like a fortress. The referendum offers a chance to vote for what you wish, in or out? fortress or prison?
Are they? All I see is nothing much has changed. I am at our local hospital most days and I see all those exceptional foreign nurses and doctors, non of whome seem in a hurry to leave or feel that they are not wanted.
What I do see on police documentaries are all the foreign criminals outnumbering the home grown ones..
I see all these reported incidents in other countries with the authorities trying to play it down.
No idea what euratom is !
My small business has never been as busy, especially international sales.
Whenever this debate is raised the leave supporters soon seem to become aggressive and superior when I won't agree that I am wrong. In fact one such person told me I was the first person they knew who have dared to admit voting leave!
It was my life experience that steered my vote and when I saw Mr Cameron say that pensioners could loose £500 per month that sealed it. I only get £520 per month!
Let us hope your business continues to thrive, but for most people they are already losing out, and you still haven't actually any evidence to prove things will improve, have you?
As to the situation in NHS hospitals to say there are no staff problems doesn't fit with recruitment figures, does it?
The numbers are down to 15% of last years , so, sorry but I'm not buying that
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Again you are misreading my post to fit in with your own ideas. I did not mention nhs recruitment at all.. just saying what I see myself and what the doctors and nurses that work at my hospital tell me.
I think the recruitment situation in the NHS has more to do with tories policy than just supply and demand. You have well trained staff leaving in droves to work for agencies because the pay is better while the agencies make a fortune out of supplying the same staff at twice the cost that the NHS used to spend retaining the same staff in the first place.
One of the east European highly trained specialist nurses that is dealing with my problem announced that she was leaving and I thought here comes brexit... so I asked why she was going home.. She replied with never going home, just moving to London to be nearer my child's father who works there.