wishful thinking again the EU will morph into a united states and is into a hanger on feeding on its scraps
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Brexit, for once some facts.
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I agree, assuming if you mean the future development path of the EU.
The EU is not going to ditch its anti-dumping duties,they have managed by devious means of keeping extending the date when anti-dumping was going to be removed....this is particularly the case with bicycles,the duty being kept and in fact extended to other Asian countries,mostly by pressure from the Germans.
These duties are rarely an anti dumping mechanism they are really protectionism under a different label.
If we achieve a free trade deal with the EU then they will insist that we retain the duties on imports from China,rules of origin should apply.....but my guess is the EU will take the simple route and put those anti-dumping tariffs onto the UK,irrespective of the country of origin....that will be awful for small companies like Pashley or Brompton,who could have a double hit.....if goods come in from China tariff free,then the Chinese will swamp the UK with cheap goods,companies like Dahon will hurt the likes of Brompton.....when Brompton try to sell their bikes into the EU they will be hit by 50% plus tariffs.
Goods come from China to both the UK and the EU,I compete with companies in Germany and Poland ,the current strength of the Euro against the £ ,helping. But you are right that if we make it difficult to trade with the EU ,EU countries will be tempted to ship directly from China.
The EU is currently fining our HMRC over 2 billion Euros,because HMRC are very bad at collecting correct duty on goods,especially on jeans and clothes,HMRC are considered the weakest border in the EU,so I think EU customs will be pleased to see the back of us. Brexit may give HMRC a kick up the proverbial because if they fail to collect the correct duty at our border for sure the French will collect the correct duty at Calais,the losses to our customs could be enormous!!!!
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The EU is following the same path that turned the 300 small small Germanic states into Germany and the separate colonies into the USA.
Which rather blows your notion that the process is unlikely to succeed out of the water, doesn't it?
The formation of a United States of Europe is both desirable and inevitable, even if the people who would have us revert to the Saxon Kingdoms think otherwise.
History proves your notion of small nation states, which is all that England is, a nonsense, as you can't assume ownership of the other nations comprising the UK without compromising the principle driving Brexit of no free movement and all that goes with it can you?
In the end we will have no choice but to grovel to join, just as we did with the Common Market.
Here is a classic example of how to apply Spin to make a loss seem like a gain
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BRUSSELS IN CHAOS
Hundreds of EU scientists want to STAY in Britain after Brexit as European countries fall out over who will host key agencies
75 per cent of the European Medicines Agency's staff want to stay in London after the agency moves
That means nearly 700 skilled scientists will be looking for a new job – providing a boost to Britain’s medical research industry.
We will also need workers to staff a new agency which will replace the EU body overseeing the safety of drugs and medical devices.
So they do, all they need now is jobs, and the agencies have disappeared haven't they?
Since when were 700 Unemployed headline Good News?
Great news Folks! this is pretty much the Dunkirk Spirit, turning an evacuation into a Victory.
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BRUSSELS IN CHAOS
Hundreds of EU scientists want to STAY in Britain after Brexit as European countries fall out over who will host key agencies
75 per cent of the European Medicines Agency's staff want to stay in London after the agency moves
That means nearly 700 skilled scientists will be looking for a new job – providing a boost to Britain’s medical research industry.
We will also need workers to staff a new agency which will replace the EU body overseeing the safety of drugs and medical devices.
So they do, all they need now is jobs, and the agencies have disappeared haven't they?
Since when were 700 Unemployed headline Good News?
Great news Folks! this is pretty much the Dunkirk Spirit, turning an evacuation into a Victory.
.. ah sure they can move over to Dublin and take the cheap Ryanair flights at the weekend for the fleshpots of London. .. Ryanair oh!, Well maybe not.
From Donald Trump:
Is that a good enough justification for brexit?
it gives to this country a chance for renewal.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/01/donald-trump-wall-street-journal-full-interview-transcript
Is that a good enough justification for brexit?
it gives to this country a chance for renewal.
yikes, if the Donald has become the authority on which we base what to do next we are in much deeper doggy do than I imagined. to be fair the principle behind brexit (self determination) must mean the union must dissolve. I mean, I don't hear the word Oxfordshire at all enough anymore. it must be high time for an Oxfordshire renewal ;>)
I quoted the source simply because it caught my eye this morning, not intended to promote Mr Trump in any shape of form.
as much as I am not a fan of Trump, the attraction for renewal is a factor for brexiters, there is some truth in what he was saying. I would substitute the word Britain with 'UK'.
The importance of the UK has continually diminished for a long time.
Renewal? what are you going on about? Renewal of what exactly? come on lets have some specifics, not this random nonsense of wishful dreams and vague hopes.
Exactly and precisely what is to be Renewed, and where are the itemised and costed plans to do so?
If you don't like the UK diminishing in importance, what gargantuan leap of faith bordering on insanity can make Brexit seem like a good way to reverse that process?
I shall give you a very good reason that Brexit will be a disaster... no make that five
The House of Commons
The House of Lords
The UK Elite
The Murdoch Press
The Tory Voters
It hasn't a Snowflake in Hell's Chance of being a Renewal, more in the nature of a Wake
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I'm all for restoring the Saxon Kingdoms if this logic prevails, or perhaps ask for the Romans to come back?
Their roads suffered less from Potholes than we seem to be able to manage!
You should look at why JC sits on the fence.
Brexit creates new opportunities, for good and bad, but opportunities is the word.
JC is a short sighted imitation of a Socialist that sees no further than the high water mark.
Another Citizen Smith Wannabee, not a true Socialist.
These Islands we occupy are nothing more than a part of Europe cut off by Geological accident.
Nye Bevan made a famous remark about that sort of Politician
"We know what happens to people who stay in the middle of the road. They get run down."
that's sadly is the reason why we lurch from one incompetent government to another.
i appreciate that you don't intend to promote the Donald - but its no coincidence that he backs brexit - it is a "renewal" in the same mould as his election - a triumph of populist manure (spun by the rich, like him, to create new business opportunities) over actual institutional democracy.
Not for the first time, I don't understand the point you make. Renewal of what?
The best future option for the UK, an acronym that Trump doesn't understand as he seems to confuse it frequently with the expression 'Great Britain', is to continue our membership of the EU which has more to offer the British people than any other airy-fairy trade deals mooted so far by the incompetent clowns supposedly negotiating our exit from the EU.
It strikes me from your repeated promotion of selected sets of economic figures and other indicators that you really have no concept of what the European Union is all about. Perhaps that is because you buy and sell and have particular vested interests in some kind of future arrangement not governed or controlled by EU rules and regulations; I don't know?
What I do know is that for hundreds of millions of people across Europe, the EU is hugely important for their future survival and prosperity. Not only has it been the saviour of several little countries whose economic future was decidedly uncertain, it has also proved immensely valuable to the UK when this country was going down the pan following the short-lived, post-WW2 economic boom which brought about the birth of the NHS and nationalisation of the major industries and utilities.
By the early seventies, the UK was desperate to join the common market although those countries which formed the initial group were not very keen at all to admit us. As those countries knew, British arrogance meant that the UK was unlikely to demonstrate any desire to be a team player and so it was proved much later when we objected to the cost of membership, with which we had happily agreed at the outset.
Eventually, we bullied our way into securing a rebate but that was never enough for the British elite which has always disliked the fact that we are not in charge, as if the common market/EEC/EU had become the new British empire. After all, did we not come to the rescue and not for the first time, of all those foreign Johnnies who seem incapable of living in harmony like the English, Welsh and Scots?!
To arrogantly determine that we are walking away from the EU, while begging for a deal which amounts to pretty well all the benefits we currently enjoy, but for free, is frankly ridiculous. There is so much more to the EU than plain figures on a balance sheet and many member states realise that. If one looks, for example, at Poland, it is a very industrious nation although suppressed behind the iron curtain for many years. The UK was very glad of their airmen and those from Canada, the USA and various other countries in WW2, as our RAF was struggling to contain the threat from the Luftwaffe and we were losing both aircraft and pilots at an alarming rate.
Today, Poland is becoming a thriving country within the EU and many Poles who came to the UK under freedom of movement, have since returned now that employment prospects in their own country have improved considerably.
Sadly, Poles, like so many other economic migrants from other EU countries who have made their home in the relatively affluent, northern European countries, have been viciously attacked by the right-wing extremists, no less in the UK than in France and Germany for example. Those immigrants have paid their way in the UK and haven't simply been a burden on the state or the NHS as Farage and his ilk have portrayed them.
Now, we read stories of huge numbers of migrants leaving the UK in pursuit of safer, assured domiciles in other EU states. That places the NHS in a similar situation to that of the RAF in 1939-40, pre- Battle of Britain. The difference this time is that there is no-one coming to the aid of the NHS!
I'm afraid, 'Woosh', almost all your posts have centred upon economic factors as you see them, with scant regard for the human and humanitarian elements of EU membership. That, of course, is typical of the British elite, the tory party and their fascist supporters and of course the billionaire-owned major media churning out the propaganda message. Time and again this particular tory administration has demonstrated its disregard for the ordinary people both in this country and from other countries, as their attitude to refugees from war zones has made perfectly clear.
This little film clip demonstrates how a proud people can happily exist as a sovereign EU state with a proud history, never losing sight of the struggles it had to overcome along the way:
Tom
But to a point the "company is getting the management it deserves" (and brexiters really deserve Boris, may et Al) My hunch is Corbyn would do much more if he wasn't as acutely aware as the rest of us of the large uninformed racist part of the electorate that has reared its ugly head and is evidently incapable of reason
This is why we are leaving, the older generation was lied to by the Conservatives and the Labour politicians of the past and never given to opportunity to air their views with each change of the Treaties - when asked to review the situation some 40 odd years later many remembered the promises of the past and duly voted to leave.
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Come off it, no one cared about the changes at the time, they have been encouraged to do so by propaganda since, but it simply wasn't true.
No protests took place and on each instance the government minimised the effects even negotiating a no further integration agreement.
This is a case of making up a non existent past resentment to suit a current situation.
It's simply nonsense
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