Brexit, for once some facts.
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You missed the rest of the story, in order that money from it will go into the pockets of the usual culprits in the Elite.
For you can be completely sure none will be heading in the direction of the Public.
That would never do "The will of the people would never allow it"
They want to feel that suffering will somehow make them "True Patriots"
To ensure this they are totally committed to personal financial and social Seppuku.
The former pink tory PM, Tony B-liar, remains at large which has me wondering if the International Criminal Court is simply snowed under with work.
There seems to be some weird double standard involved whereby some individuals from the Balkans war are hunted down and locked up for years, responsible for possibly tens of thousands of deaths, while B-liar and G.W. - the runt of the Bush litter - responsible for millions of deaths, are somehow regarded in the west now as elder statesmen who have served their respective countries well.
Craig Murray, former ambassador to Uzbekistan, had this to say about the B-liar situation following the latest judicial hearing of the case to prosecute the former UK PM:
"This surely is problematic. The judgement states that the UK, deliberately, does not follow international law in its domestic law. So the UK is an institutionalised rogue state. Its internal arrangements allow its rulers, its armed forces and other actors to commit international crimes and flout international law with no fear of domestic repercussion as a matter of conscious choice."
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/…/supreme-court-judges-…/amp/
So, it seems that laws and punishments are only for the poor, foreigners, socialists and anyone considered a political dissident but never for the elite of British or American society.
Dr David Kelly committed suicide because of the lies from B-liar, Alastair Campbell, Sir Richard Dearlove, and others in that parliamentary and intelligence cabal. Kelly's impeccable career, his judgement and character were being assassinated in order to justify an illegal war. Others closely connected such as Jack Straw and Lord Goldsmith, could and should have done much more to prevent the pink-tory government of the day from ignoring the UN and causing a war which has resulted in the biggest civilian death toll since WW2....and the numbers continue to rise.
Tom
There seems to be some weird double standard involved whereby some individuals from the Balkans war are hunted down and locked up for years, responsible for possibly tens of thousands of deaths, while B-liar and G.W. - the runt of the Bush litter - responsible for millions of deaths, are somehow regarded in the west now as elder statesmen who have served their respective countries well.
Craig Murray, former ambassador to Uzbekistan, had this to say about the B-liar situation following the latest judicial hearing of the case to prosecute the former UK PM:
"This surely is problematic. The judgement states that the UK, deliberately, does not follow international law in its domestic law. So the UK is an institutionalised rogue state. Its internal arrangements allow its rulers, its armed forces and other actors to commit international crimes and flout international law with no fear of domestic repercussion as a matter of conscious choice."
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/…/supreme-court-judges-…/amp/
So, it seems that laws and punishments are only for the poor, foreigners, socialists and anyone considered a political dissident but never for the elite of British or American society.
Dr David Kelly committed suicide because of the lies from B-liar, Alastair Campbell, Sir Richard Dearlove, and others in that parliamentary and intelligence cabal. Kelly's impeccable career, his judgement and character were being assassinated in order to justify an illegal war. Others closely connected such as Jack Straw and Lord Goldsmith, could and should have done much more to prevent the pink-tory government of the day from ignoring the UN and causing a war which has resulted in the biggest civilian death toll since WW2....and the numbers continue to rise.
Tom
I think the tory propaganda department may have gone too far with this allegation......
Tom
Tom
Of course, for two reasons. Firstly, those who make laws make them against the things they don't intend to do. Secondly, as the law makers they ensure they have control over their application.
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no offence, but this kind of zealous denial is quite distressing. it leaves me feeling uk will need more pain than say japan needed at the end of ww2 to give up its delusions of grandeur. and I don't fancy metaphorically the financial and social equivalent of two nuclear bombs.
The appalling fact of the matter is that we who voted for remain are simply collateral damage in this outbreak of mass delusion which has taken on pandemic proportions among the less sceptical members of the Adult population.
That is bad enough, but it will end up in anger rather than tears at the end of the day., and no one wants that.
.. what is even more appalling is that even at this late stage it is potentially redeemable, but no one wants to take a lead. Any public discourse assumes it must happen. It is now akin to painting the stable doors, in nice shades of blue ,red and white stripes, while ignoring the horses who are now galloping away.
There is only one democratic way to solve the Brexit dilemma. and it's very simple really
Spin a coin to see which side starts the cycle of one Day we are independent, the second day part of the EU,or vice versa, (with a 4% extra time allowance to favour the leave vote)
logically that would mean you only have to work one day out of two.
End of reasons to complain at one swell foop.
Simples!
And everyone will be happy!
That wasn't hard, just needed to think out of the box....
With a bit of good old British compromise anything is possible.
We just need two sets of Flags for the appropriate days.
Spin a coin to see which side starts the cycle of one Day we are independent, the second day part of the EU,or vice versa, (with a 4% extra time allowance to favour the leave vote)
logically that would mean you only have to work one day out of two.
End of reasons to complain at one swell foop.
Simples!
And everyone will be happy!
That wasn't hard, just needed to think out of the box....
With a bit of good old British compromise anything is possible.
We just need two sets of Flags for the appropriate days.
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Latest YouGov poll:
Is 'significant damage to the UK economy' a price worth paying to get your way on Brexit?
Leave voters: 61 per cent believe it is worth it.
Remain voters: 34 per cent believe it is worth it.
Is the loss of your job or a family member's job a price worth paying to get your way on Brexit?
Leave voters: 39 per cent would sacrifice their job or a family member’s job for Brexit.
Remain Voters: 18 per cent would lose their job or a family’s job if it meant staying in the EU.
Is 'significant damage to the UK economy' a price worth paying to get your way on Brexit?
Leave voters: 61 per cent believe it is worth it.
Remain voters: 34 per cent believe it is worth it.
Is the loss of your job or a family member's job a price worth paying to get your way on Brexit?
Leave voters: 39 per cent would sacrifice their job or a family member’s job for Brexit.
Remain Voters: 18 per cent would lose their job or a family’s job if it meant staying in the EU.
I must be losing the plot, how is there a a risk of significant damage to the economy or losing your job by STAYING in the EU?
And what kind of idiot is willing to lose their job for either reason?
Truly the electorate has been bitten by the Stupid Bug
We as a nation are sailing at flank speed past the point of insanity heading for the rocks on point Bizarre.
Madness has now become the norm.
the question is hypothetical of course, to gauge the emotional factor.
Even on WTO terms, the effect is around -3% on GDP, much less than that in job losses.
Even on WTO terms, the effect is around -3% on GDP, much less than that in job losses.
this brings to mind Orwell's "new speak" of "oceania" as language becomes a tool to normalise the bizarre ideological requirements of a group of fascists
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newspeak
we do not need to leave the eu (it's like having a poll on whether its worth paying the price of shooting of your right foot to be one footed).
.. short term pain for long term gain.... Think of the savings in socks and shoes .. you must start thinking of the upside
we may not brexit right in the next 2-5 years but long term prospect for brexit is most likely better for the majority.
The only majority it will be better for are the other members of the EU
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yes lets gamble the nation (and next few generations)'s future on an unqualified un-researched xenophobic hunch. what could go wrong. why not go further. our long term prospects is most likely better if we launch a pre-emptive nuclear strike against America. we should do it. they'd never see it coming. we could recolonize the states.
brexit is a lose-lose in the short term.
On the long term, if we remain in the customs union or SM, we'll get extra flexibility compared to membership of the EU, so we should do a bit better.
The EU won't win anything.
For the moment it doesn't have to win anything. You do realise that the EU can modify its China anti-dumping tarifs at any time and import stuff direct from China without going through the UK?