Brexit, for once some facts.

[Zlatan]

So Corbyn and Labour are timing their push for power ? In how many years will that be ? Waiting fir Tories to get their act together.
They had their chance and blew it. Tories will not make this mistake again.
Labour should have siezed the day. Carpe Diam and all that.Perhaps next time..sounds like Liverpool and PL ???
We will never see JC as PM and if you are saying he does not want to be PM now or in future he should step down and let somebody do the job who does.

 

[oldtom]

And what a dazzling array of talent to choose from, eh?

Oh don't be too harsh about them OG - there is a combined IQ in that pic of almost three figures. Besides, the time isn't too far away when the British public finally get sick and tired of all the tory rhetoric, austerity, lies, sleaze and downright corruption.

There is a very competent set of socialist politicians ready and able to deal, not only with 'Brexit' but also the huge economic and social problems in the UK deliberately created by the disgusting aristocracy and the filthy, lying, cheating tory scum representing only them.

When people decide enough is enough, finally overcome the daily mind-bending propaganda presented as news by the bent and twisted billionaires who are the tory media wing, then the UK will begin a recovery that will see fairness to all as an alternative kind of politics, last seen in pre-Thatcher Britain.

Tom

 

[oldgroaner]

I couldn't care less wether Brexit happens or not. I,ve said all along in long run it will make no difference. ( I even quoted HL as saying " everything has changed but nothing has"

Actually I'm sure we would all appreciate you posting links to your previous comments where you actually made any such statement, as for the life of me I can't recall you ever saying any of that.
Or are you now going to claim that asking you for proof is insulting? you usually do.
However be sure of one thing I will not fail to remember that your new stance is "I couldn't care less wether Brexit happens or not". in post #37929
And it's "Whether" by the way.

Just out of curiosity why did you vote for Brexit (or did you) if you believed this was true.
" I,ve said all along in long run it will make no difference. "

Which then, of these alternatives covers your alleged Brevit Vote.

1. Telling Porkies and didn't vote that way, if at all
2. Had no idea of the import and didn't actually care
3. As an act of Vandalism
   
4. As a protest against something or other
5. You haven't the slightest idea why you did.
6. You have been conditioned by propaganda to hate the EU
7. Tossed a coin, did it for a bet.
   
8. Actually thought some good would come of it.

You do realise of course that the most flattering choice would be number 8, but if you pick that, your latest post becomes a lie doesn't it?

 

[flecc]

So Corbyn and Labour are timing their push for power ? - - - - - - - We will never see JC as PM and if you are saying he does not want to be PM now or in future he should step down and let somebody do the job who does.

I haven't said either of these. The wheel of fortune has delivered what I said, just as it's delivered the poisoned outcome for the Tories. The result will be the Tories suffering what Labour have by sheer good luck avoided.

So I've said, and I quote:

"That leaves them well placed for the future."

Note "them", no mention of JC or any individual, just Labour.

Whether the final outcome will favour Labour depends on timing. I want May to hang on in there and complete the Brexit negotiations while governing with the DUP, perhaps for a full parliament. That in my view would leave the public desperate for any alternative, and since Labour is the main opposition party, they would be that alternative.

Since that would be in two to five years time and Jeremy Corbyn is not a young man, it's likely that Labour will have another leader by then, riding on the goodwill that Corbyn has created by his unexpectedly good performance in this election.

And that new leader could well be a slightly more mature David Miliband, easily sweeping them to victory.
.

 

[tillson]

My impression is that the Scottish Conservatives are more Liberal and less "traditional" than the English Conservatives. From what I'm hearing, the DUP seem to hold 1950s type Conservative values.

How is May going to bring these two groups together? The Scottish Conservative MPs are significant in number now, yet the foul witch seems to have forged ahead with the DUP idea, assuming the Scottish will obediently follow.

I'm hoping that this explodes in her face to add further humiliation to her predicament. I want her to be humiliated and discredited to such an extent that it serves as a lesson to future party leaders. I have never voted Labour, but the disrespect that affront to the female showed towards him in the run up to the election was breathtaking. Jeremy Corbin is 10X the human being that May will ever be.

 

[oldgroaner]

So Corbyn and Labour are timing their push for power ? In how many years will that be ? Waiting fir Tories to get their act together.
They had their chance and blew it. Tories will not make this mistake again.
Labour should have siezed the day. Carpe Diam and all that.Perhaps next time..sounds like Liverpool and PL ???
We will never see JC as PM and if you are saying he does not want to be PM now or in future he should step down and let somebody do the job who does.

Even for you this post is pretty flaky "fir" instead of "for" , it's "Seize" not "Sieze" and "Carpe Diem" not "Carpe Diam" otherwise it was up to your usual standard.
Knowing that you struggle to understand the written word I would point out that Corbyn actually stated he was prepared to form a Government, it was I that said he was foolish if he did.
Naturally now you will feel insulted as usual.

 

[oldgroaner]

My impression is that the Scottish Conservatives are more Liberal and less "traditional" than the English Conservatives. From what I'm hearing, the DUP seem to hold 1950s type Conservative values.

How is May going to bring these two groups together? The Scottish Conservative MPs are significant in number now, yet the foul witch seems to have forged ahead with the DUP idea, assuming the Scottish will obediently follow.

I'm hoping that this explodes in her face to add further humiliation to her predicament. I want her to be humiliated and discredited to such an extent that it serves as a lesson to future party leaders. I have never voted Labour, but the disrespect that affront to the female showed towards him in the run up to the ejection was breathtaking. Jeremy Corbin is 10X the human being that May will ever be.

Absolutely right, and may I add that I haven't voted for Labour for many years, because it simply hasn't been there to vote for!
By the bye was your use of the word "ejection" deliberate? even if it wasn't it was certainly cogent! well done, my friend!

 

[oldgroaner]

I haven't said either of these. The wheel of fortune has delivered what I said, just as it's delivered the poisoned outcome for the Tories. The result will be the Tories suffering what Labour have by sheer good luck avoided.

So I've said, and I quote:

"That leaves them well placed for the future."

Note "them", no mention of JC or any individual, just Labour.

Whether the final outcome will favour Labour depends on timing. I want May to hang on in there and complete the Brexit negotiations while governing with the DUP, perhaps for a full parliament. That in my view would leave the public desperate for any alternative, and since Labour is the main opposition party, they would be that alternative.

Since that would be in two to five years time and Jeremy Corbyn is not a young man, it's likely that Labour will have another leader by then, riding on the goodwill that Corbyn has created by his unexpectedly good performance in this election.

And that new leader could well be a slightly more mature David Miliband, easily sweeping them to victory.
.

To me those are Prophetic words, flecc, we can but hope.

 

[oldgroaner]

Oh don't be too harsh about them OG - there is a combined IQ in that pic of almost three figures. Besides, the time isn't too far away when the British public finally get sick and tired of all the tory rhetoric, austerity, lies, sleaze and downright corruption.

There is a very competent set of socialist politicians ready and able to deal, not only with 'Brexit' but also the huge economic and social problems in the UK deliberately created by the disgusting aristocracy and the filthy, lying, cheating tory scum representing only them.

When people decide enough is enough, finally overcome the daily mind-bending propaganda presented as news by the bent and twisted billionaires who are the tory media wing, then the UK will begin a recovery that will see fairness to all as an alternative kind of politics, last seen in pre-Thatcher Britain.

Tom

Events are indeed moving in that direction as you say!

 

[tillson]

Absolutely right, and may I add that I haven't voted for Labour for many years, because it simply hasn't been there to vote for!
By the bye was your use of the word "ejection" deliberate? even if it wasn't it was certainly cogent! well done, my friend!

Auto complete on the iPhone. Corrected now Maybe my phone is telling us something.

 

[oldgroaner]

Auto complete on the iPhone. Corrected now Maybe my phone is telling us something.

Ideed, something along the lines of the "Strong and Stable" advertsing van that blew over.....

 

[Woosh]

I would point out that Corbyn actually stated he was prepared to form a Government, it was I that said he was foolish if he did.

I can't see Labour getting enough support to form a minority government at present. Its best course of action is to bring the blairites back into the fold. Without that, they'll be cursed in the same way as the tories are.

 

[oldgroaner]

I can't see Labour getting enough support to form a minority government at present. Its best course of action is to bring the blairites back into the fold. Without that, they'll be cursed in the same way as the tories are.

Agreed, although I would have taken the line that he had better wait until the enigma of brexit worked on the public body politic.
Ooops! I meant to say enema, not enigma [emoji1]

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[Zlatan]

I haven't said either of these. The wheel of fortune has delivered what I said, just as it's delivered the poisoned outcome for the Tories. The result will be the Tories suffering what Labour have by sheer good luck avoided.

So I've said, and I quote:

"That leaves them well placed for the future."

Note "them", no mention of JC or any individual, just Labour.

Whether the final outcome will favour Labour depends on timing. I want May to hang on in there and complete the Brexit negotiations while governing with the DUP, perhaps for a full parliament. That in my view would leave the public desperate for any alternative, and since Labour is the main opposition party, they would be that alternative.

Since that would be in two to five years time and Jeremy Corbyn is not a young man, it's likely that Labour will have another leader by then, riding on the goodwill that Corbyn has created by his unexpectedly good performance in this election.

And that new leader could well be a slightly more mature David Miliband, easily sweeping them to victory.
.

I think that's quite different to your initial post on subject, cant disagree with any of it, but Labour lost this election and by some margin. They won nothing, purely did better than we all assumed.

 

[Zlatan]

Agreed, although I would have taken the line that he had better wait until the enigma of brexit worked on the public body politic.
Ooops! I meant to say enema, not enigma [emoji1]

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yes agreed here. Sad but true..Labour needs to move to right to stand any chance of taking office.But Blair has quite a deserved stigma attached to his followers.
Corbyn was dreaming thinking about a minority government. It will never happen.

 

[oldgroaner]

yes agreed here. Sad but true..Labour needs to move to right to stand any chance of taking office.

No, the public will move to the left


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[Zlatan]

Actually I'm sure we would all appreciate you posting links to your previous comments where you actually made any such statement, as for the life of me I can't recall you ever saying any of that.
Or are you now going to claim that asking you for proof is insulting? you usually do.
However be sure of one thing I will not fail to remember that your new stance is "I couldn't care less wether Brexit happens or not". in post #37929
And it's "Whether" by the way.

Just out of curiosity why did you vote for Brexit (or did you) if you believed this was true.
" I,ve said all along in long run it will make no difference. "

Which then, of these alternatives covers your alleged Brevit Vote.

1. Telling Porkies and didn't vote that way, if at all
2. Had no idea of the import and didn't actually care
3. As an act of Vandalism
   
4. As a protest against something or other
5. You haven't the slightest idea why you did.
6. You have been conditioned by propaganda to hate the EU
7. Tossed a coin, did it for a bet.
   
8. Actually thought some good would come of it.

You do realise of course that the most flattering choice would be number 8, but if you pick that, your latest post becomes a lie doesn't it?

You,ve got too much time on your hands OG..

 

[Zlatan]

No, the public will move to the left


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Not far enough to get Corbyn in no.10
.

 

[oldgroaner]

You,ve got too much time on your hands OG..

Gotcha, haven't I?[emoji1]

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[oldgroaner]

Not far enough to get Corbyn in no.10
.

He could easily have been there today
Fortunately for him he isn't.
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