Brexit, for once some facts.
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EU trade accounts for about 12% of our GDP. Moving to WTO will reduce it but not stop it. So you can remove anything higher than possibly 5%. The trade will bounce back as soon as we conclude an FTA with the EU.
Freight is usually directly proportional to GDP, the demand for lorry drivers won't drop much.
Many of us have never quite understood how so many UK citizens one would imagine to be core Labour voters actually vote tory, putting it down to perhaps, peer pressure and/or some misplaced notion of associating a vote for such an elitist grouping of politicians with self-improvement and conferring middle class status, rather than working class upon themselves.
The other likely reason is the relentless brainwashing such people have unknowingly experienced all their lives, orchestrated on an industrial scale by the billionaire media friends and benefactors of the tory party. All their efforts are continuously rewarded by various tax-breaks and many other perks including a freedom from forensic examination which has ensured that only a handful of the most evil journalists and editors have ever been successfully prosecuted for criminal acts.
What such a corrupt political party and an equally corrupt media has brought about is the most successful mindbending operation in history - Herr Goebbels would be proud! This is the ultimate example of blind faith and ignorance in the manner of turkeys voting for Christmas.
I have now discovered another possible cause for this incredible power which seems to have altered the perception of so many people; Peter Cook saw it like this many years ago:
Tom
The other likely reason is the relentless brainwashing such people have unknowingly experienced all their lives, orchestrated on an industrial scale by the billionaire media friends and benefactors of the tory party. All their efforts are continuously rewarded by various tax-breaks and many other perks including a freedom from forensic examination which has ensured that only a handful of the most evil journalists and editors have ever been successfully prosecuted for criminal acts.
What such a corrupt political party and an equally corrupt media has brought about is the most successful mindbending operation in history - Herr Goebbels would be proud! This is the ultimate example of blind faith and ignorance in the manner of turkeys voting for Christmas.
I have now discovered another possible cause for this incredible power which seems to have altered the perception of so many people; Peter Cook saw it like this many years ago:
Tom
I'm no longer sure whether we are seeing Theresa May or just a hologram of her when she pops up on TV news. The rhetoric so frequently repeated makes me think it's simply dubbed on to a recorded image of her inside some factory or other which will suffer huge redundancies quite soon!
This woman and her policies have already inflicted more damage to the British economy than Hermann Göring's Luftwaffe managed in 1940-41.
Tom
This woman and her policies have already inflicted more damage to the British economy than Hermann Göring's Luftwaffe managed in 1940-41.
Tom
The Mirror has this
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Labour manifesto leaked: Jeremy Corbyn pledges to re-nationalise energy industry, railways and Royal Mail in draft document
The 43-page draft contains landmark promises on the NHS, social care, education and housing
Interestingly the paper is Positive about the Manifesto rather than the usual reaction.
What is going on, I wonder?
Needless to say the Right wing rags are not.
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Labour manifesto leaked: Jeremy Corbyn pledges to re-nationalise energy industry, railways and Royal Mail in draft document
The 43-page draft contains landmark promises on the NHS, social care, education and housing
Interestingly the paper is Positive about the Manifesto rather than the usual reaction.
What is going on, I wonder?
Needless to say the Right wing rags are not.
No, because a labour government would adopt the EU directives.. surely even you can figure that out?
No, it shows what the people wielding influence over a gullible public want
Because the Blithering idiot didn't oppose Brexit.
Do you really imagine the right wing press is any more likely to influence me than you are?
And for the record I haven't voted since Blair first appeared on the scene and the Labour party vanished.
And where's the problem in that ?
Seems strange you arguing against this post when I,m saying I,d sooner ys be in Europe with Labour than out with Tories...but then again you,d argue against my post if I said night follows day..
Be so good as to point to the post where you made that statement, the last ones I saw said quite the opposite
"My feeling is a change if government to a more socially minded one is more a priority than staying or leaving EU.
Where did you actually make the statement
"when I,m saying I,d sooner ys be in Europe with Labour than out with Tories.."
Quote the post where it appeared
You didn't make that statement did you ?
So you,re not voting Labour because of Blair, which I said was case for many voters about 30 pages back...and in other words you,re not voting labour has nothing at all to do with right wing press, again something I said was case for many pages and ages ago.
You and I are perfect examples of why labour is failing and nothing at all to do with right wing press.
Yes the relentless pushing and bile they push out might con a few but I still believe Blair , ( the Iraq war) and Corbyn combined lose far more than right wing press. And BTW the lack of reporting on Kelly case, the gentle approach to Blair are hardly signs of allways supporting the right.
Don't you think Blair's shot accross his bows recently was rather orchestrated at a convenient time ??? Sort of shut up or we might prosecute ??
You are confused aren't you? Blair was and is a Right wing politician that's why he has got away with what he did so far!
Except you I presume...you are more enlightened than public...but still wont be voting for Corbyn...for different reasons..ahemm...ofcourse.
No he was a left wing politician with right wing policies. He got into power under and through the labour movement. I believe the term was Tory light. ( or is it Lite with his American counterparts)
But whichever way you call it his legacy had ruined labour..( or started decline)
Have you looked in a mirror recently, if you do you will see someone who ctiticises everone else for his own failings!
Are you in principle saying that the British public is enlightened? how then do you explain it has a penchant for voting for a Tory Government that consistently lies and persecutes it?
Explain how that is an enlightened point of view
New Labour as a principle ruined labour, he was simply the Ringleader
OG, I don't think the phrase, 'Sometimes it's better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and prove it!' has made its way as far as Trollville yet.
Also, you mustn't be too unkind when someone embarks on a battle of wits when only half-prepared.
Tom
Of course we would, everyone knows day follows night.
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Oh, he will be alright when the day finally dawns when he decides which side he's on, manages not to get confused for the entire 24 hours as to what the particular side stands for, what it should and can do, and is to be blamed for doing/ and or not doing ,and how it ought to go about changing the world , and be elected and organised.
I have to say that day is unlikely to be in the near future
You are being far too deep for him there flecc, shame on you.
Just because you subscribe to the view that a Chicken is just an Egg's way of reproducing itself (possibly one of natures greatest mysteries)
is no reason to pick on a Creationist who voted for Brexit
I hate Religious Arguments, but have made an exception in order to cover Brexit, a tough job, but someones gotta do it.
Yes, I agree totally..and no I do not think the general public are any more or less enlightened than you or I, but neither of us will be voting Labour ( I think, manifesto might hold out some hope) and neither of us are influenced by right wing press.
It can only ever be an opinion has to why people vote as they do but I suspect folk see labour as in utter turmoil, incapable of running party let alone a country, Corbyn as far too " nice" and still associate Labour with Blair and his lies.
A lib Dem vote is an abstention...so they vote the only one left...( actually right)
You destroy your own argument by not supporting Corbyn..