I don't know what the EU has in mind and to be fair neither do you.
To get 27 country's to agree will take some doing.
To get 27 country's to agree will take some doing.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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They want to take us to the cleaners.
We should just walk away.
So EU membership does not protect our employment T&Cs from attack.
No. But it could have done if we'd been more co-operative with their joint venture.
This is what amuses me about all the anti EU, like yourself. On the one hand you don't want greater EU penetration into our affairs, while on the other saying that the benefits don't reach far enough.
It's necessary to decide which is wanted, and if that's less intrusion, it means less beneficial laws.
That's a lesson Theresa May needs to learn, she seems to imagine we can have the benefits of club membership while not being a member and paying the dues. Barmy.
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I don't think we want any of the benefits.
We want out and a deal on trade that will be of mutual benefit.
The more I think about it, the more I think we should just walk away and look for business elsewhere.
That would be taking ourselves to the cleaners. It wouldn't be very long before all our car manufacturing disappeared into the Eastern bloc, and France with its high unemployment would welcome back our part of Airbus structural production.
A whole new import from Europe, unemployment!
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As I've pointed out before, that means one of two options.
1) Matching Chinese prices.
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2) Gaining the ability to outsell the Germans and Swiss on quality.
The first would mean a fall to very low living standards, the second maybe impossible without a complete change in national character.
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Come of it tillson that has nothing whatever to do with the EU and everything to do with local Government, the EU does not dictate pensions to any country
This is from the OECD
The only country we beat is Mexico
The things you complain about are the result of having Conservative and Neo Conservative (New Labour) Governments, and guess what?
We are about to have one that is even more rabid than the previous shower.
Isn't that just Dandy?
We have never been Married to the EU so where have you dreamed up this nonsense from?
And it's similar for all other benefits, we are way below our neighbouring EU countries.
The only country we beat is Mexico
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Really? then how do you explain the existence of the EU?
You can't have it both ways.What the EU has in mind is simply two things
- To protect the interest of the remaining members
- To reach a deal with us that won't damage them and we agree to
Juvenile and dangerous to our future.
I don't think falling back to WTO is going to be as problematic as giving to EU's demands and continue to be bullied for the foreseeable future.
Take the car sector.
We buy more than 2.69 million cars last year. Most have to be made here after brexit so falling back to WTO does not mean massive job losses in car building.
All this talk of a 100 billion pound "divorce" must have got me confused
The EU isn't making any demands is it? it has issued a statement outlining general principles and these have been spun into demands by the media for consumption by those in this country susceptible to that sort of thing with the hope of keeping them on side, so that they don't blame the Government when it fails miserably to get "A good deal"
And let's be brutally honest, who believes the Government actaully wants a deal that is good for the country rather than one that is good for it's Paymasters?
Once again I ask you another question: Do you believe the Government actually wants a "Good Deal" that benefits not just the Elite, but the rest of us?
That is precisely what it is intended to do, the figure has been exaggerated for effect by the FT journalists, another £350 million pounds on the side of a Bus slogan
we will soon see how far and how much the EU wants to load the divorce bill.
I have less and less faith in the EU wanting an FTA with us.
They know that is what we want, so they put it last. Nothing stops them to negotiate FTA in parallel - the EU does not lack of resources like we do.
They have no illusion that we don't want any of the rest they have to offer.
And if they are made here how will that help pay the bills re the loss of Exports?
Most of the parts are imported anyway
It's not that simple. Many aren't made here at all, just assembled here from parts imported from various parts of the world. Others are only partly made here, and a very high proportion of the cars we buy are made elsewhere, such as Germany, Spain, Italy, Japan and the Eastern bloc EU countries.
Tariffs will have complex and often multiple outcomes, not least of all the bureaucratic complexity and costs.
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Divorce Bill belongs with Firm and Stable Government try agreed Outstanding bills to be more accurate
I think the estimate for a hit on GDP if we fall back to WTO is a 2% drop in GDP that will eventually be recovered in a few years (less than 10).
Sticking up two fingers to the EU is priceless.