Brexit, for once some facts.

[flecc]

Oh and no more subsidies for your "farmers" (deer and grouse ones especially...) starting Monday. That will save us a few bob!

While I agree on the sentiment for stopping such subsidies, we will still be paying in double what we get back for at least two years or so, therefore not costing the EU anything meanwhile. In fact the EU will feel the £8.5 billions annual loss if and when those contributions stop.
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[(NoLongerRegistered#15675)]

My preference would be for an enquiry as to why the press has not ever published the appropriate EU regulations verbatim when printing articles ridiculing them.
If they had the vote would have been a landslide for remain.

Some more BS OG...90% of reporting, including BBC coverage has been pro stay, scaremongering..passing on Camerons infantile messages. Its exactly why they lost. Had they treated people with more respect and reported " fa cts" ( not yours and Cameron's poor impression of them) they really could have walked this vote.
Continually lying ,exaggerating and insulting brexiters has back fired. Populace has shown to be more informed than majority on here and not willing to be told what to do.
We,ve all just got to get on with it now. UK was never going to succeed ir fail on strength if this decision anyhow. Perhaps had you read genuine independent studies rather than the BS fed to you by .gov etc you,d understand situation and peoples feelings rather better.( google Hargreaves Landsdown or Woodruff financial implications of brexit) but then again you don't need to listen to experts in any field,when you have all your facts.

 

[oldgroaner]

Sorry Trex but I differ on the need for immediate elections, for who can you elect that has any better chance that the present lot?
None of them have any more of a clue than if you recruited a team at the nearest Bus stop.
And another referendum right now would prove nothing even if it went the other way with a big majority.
We are committed now, no turning back at this point as the questions posed will never be answered.
I really believe we need to let the people who have led the charge for Brexit put their money where their mouth is and that we need a new party of opposition that can take up the challenge of getting us back into the EU if things turn sour.
It seems to me to be the only sensible approach

Tories and labour need to have new leaders before fresh elections, possibly next May. A new government will have democratic mandate to negociate and organise a second referendum. This time, the questions will be 1) do you want to go back to the old EU 2) do you want the new arrangement. I would prefer a Norway style arrangement with much bigger participation in various EU programs, scientific research, ecodesign, pollution reduction etc.

I really think that is far too soon as it could take longer to determine whether we are going to make a "Go" of it on our own, and has been demonstrated on here there are plenty of people who need to put their hands in a fire before they accept it will burn them, a name for them comes to mind, just add one letter to "Luddites"

 

[oldgroaner]

Some more BS OG...90% of reporting, including BBC coverage has been pro stay, scaremongering..passing on Camerons infantile messages. Its exactly why they lost. Had they treated people with more respect and reported " fa cts" ( not yours and Cameron's poor impression of them) they really could have walked this vote.
Continually lying ,exaggerating and insulting brexiters has back fired. Populace has shown to be more informed than majority on here and not willing to be told what to do.
We,ve all just got to get on with it now. UK was never going to succeed ir fail on strength if this decision anyhow. Perhaps had you read genuine independent studies rather than the BS fed to you by .gov etc you,d understand situation and peoples feelings rather better.( google Hargreaves Landsdown or Woodruff financial implications of brexit) but then again you don't need to listen to experts in any field.

Flud, you live in a parallel universe, and really haven't a clue about right, wrong, facts and lies, and clearly never read the Murdoch press.
You haven't been told "What to do" by me at any time, just asked to check the facts, but you won't will you? just keep repeating this Dogma

 

[(NoLongerRegistered#15675)]

I really think that is far too soon as it could take longer to determine whether we are going to make a "Go" of it on our own, and has been demonstrated on here there are plenty of people who need to put their hands in a fire before they accept it will burn them, a name for them comes to mind, just add one letter to "Luddites"

We,ve been making a go of it on our own for years, inspite of EU not because of it. For goodness sake OG just research it properly. Read Mark Carney,s full report. Read Woodruff,Read Hargreaves Lansdown. They all say pretty much same thing.. Stop quoting ,reading, studying the BS fed to you.

 

[(NoLongerRegistered#15675)]

Flud, you live in a parallel universe, and really haven't a clue about right, wrong, facts and lies, and clearly never read the Murdoch press.
You haven't been told "What to do" by me at any time, just asked to check the facts, but you won't will you? just keep repeating this Dogma

Have you read Mark Carneys full report. I,ll send you Hargreaves Lansdown's or Woodruffs' if you wish.
You,ve been brainwashed by stayers and don't even know it.
You can either carry on moaning in ignorance or accept reality and move forward. UK can and will succeed if we stop knocking , looking for negatives and screaming doom and gloom.
Get over it OG. We are leaving.
We can and will still compete. Trade will carry on. Expats will cope.
Again its just so typical. Had we stayed , Brexiters would have just thought, " ahwell, we tried but lost". But not stayers. Nope out on London Bridge protesting,folk on here moaning and misquoting data and searching for every possible problem.
Yes there will be some but nothing UK cant cope with.
Fact is its upto us all to get on with it.Stop moaning and look for positives. There have already been some.

 

[oldgroaner]

You are running off at the mouth again, I suggested in a recent post that we wait and see how we get on and you disagreed with it, do try to read what people actually write, that post of your makes no sense at all

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[oldgroaner]

Here is an example of the state of play, Garage has said only he has the authority to negotiate our withdrawal from the EU as Mep and head of the UKIP party
Apparently we have two separate governmental bodies in this country

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[craiggor]

Sorry Trex but I differ on the need for immediate elections, for who can you elect that has any better chance that the present lot?
None of them have any more of a clue than if you recruited a team at the nearest Bus stop.
And another referendum right now would prove nothing even if it went the other way with a big majority.
We are committed now, no turning back at this point as the questions posed will never be answered.
I really believe we need to let the people who have led the charge for Brexit put their money where their mouth is and that we need a new party of opposition that can take up the challenge of getting us back into the EU if things turn sour.
It seems to me to be the only sensible approach

I really like the idea of the bus stop party and the opposition could be the UK European Party UKEP.

 

[(NoLongerRegistered#15675)]

You are running off at the mouth again, I suggested in a recent post that we wait and see how we get on and you disagreed with it, do try to read what people actually write, that post of your makes no sense at all

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Perhaps you could enlighten us all with analogy of putting our hands in burning fires then OG.( I apologise if this wasn't directed at leavers)
And BTW Farage isn't even an MP, he,s likely to have feck all to do with anything.Its perhaps only thing you and I agree in. Suspect he lost more leavers votes than he brought in. He will not be face of new Government, you know that full well. As normal looking for negatives.
But by all means OG,just carry on. You are beginning to sound foolish. I,m not commenting on this thread again.
Good luck OG.

 

[gray198]

Sorry Trex but I differ on the need for immediate elections, for who can you elect that has any better chance that the present lot?
None of them have any more of a clue than if you recruited a team at the nearest Bus stop.
And another referendum right now would prove nothing even if it went the other way with a big majority.
We are committed now, no turning back at this point as the questions posed will never be answered.
I really believe we need to let the people who have led the charge for Brexit put their money where their mouth is and that we need a new party of opposition that can take up the challenge of getting us back into the EU if things turn sour.
It seems to me to be the only sensible approach

OG while I agree that a large proportion of our MP's are not very impressive, many of them coming into government straight from university, you seem to be saying that the EU has people who much more capable. I have my doubts about that. I am not an expert but it seems to me that there are a lot of incompetents in there, and most of these do not have the interests of the UK as a first priority. We have made our bed and now must lay in it. I know the EU (our friends lol) will make it as difficult as they can. After all they do not want us to thrive and prosper, because then others may want the same. Or am I just being cynical. It's time for our leaders to earn their pay.

 

[oldgroaner]

No I'm not, I'm saying that the problem is far more complex than one an MP can handle with regard to negotiating our divorce from Europe, it needs a legal team to do the job

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[oldgroaner]

The only difference between you and I of that I will admit to being foolish, as I knew before I started commenting on this thread what an uphill struggle it would be.
Still ,good luck to you

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[gray198]

I don't quite understand how big businesses work in a global environment, but I can't help wondering why they would choose to leave the UK, a stable law abiding country which has links all round the world and speaks the international language. What about France a country where they strike at the drop of a hat and seem to succeed in stopping everything, and they don't seem to want to work more than 35hours. Plus the country under Holland's seems to be in decline , and then there are some extreme political parties on the rise. What about Italy noted for corruption and being run by the Mafia, who seem to change their prime ministers with great regularity. Or Germany a great country run very efficiently but unfortunately don't seem to have many words with less than 18 letters. Just saying

 

[trex]

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you seem to be saying that the EU has people who much more capable. I have my doubts about that. .

the incompetent people are the MEPs, they are no better, and possibly worse, than our bunch in Westminster. With the exception of Dan Hannan, I don't like the Eurosceptic MEPs.
The commission and it apparatus are composed of very clever people, either sent there by members governments or recruited among the best graduates and experts. Legal texts made in Brussels are probably the best in the world, they have to be good because they have to work in wide range of situations.

 

[tillson]

the first economic consequence of Brexit is the price of fuel at the pump.
When will it go up and by how much?

The second ecconomic consequence will be felt when all the armed robbers return from the Costas and start nicking the banks money.

 

[tillson]

Fuel prices are the least important worry.

An alternative outside view of why it happened:

https://www.rt.com/shows/keiser-report/348318-episode-max-keiser-932/

Dodgey Daves puppet strings have been cut by his manipulators and now they a looking for a new puppet to regain control over the electorate who they use to finance their London gambling dens when things go wrong.

I'm still shocked that the w@nker$ in the financial sector seem to have bet the house on the advice of Foxy from FoxyBingo and his buddy BetFred. Or maybe I'm not shocked at all.

 

[tillson]

congrats on your reading of the FX last Thursday.
I am not worried about the stock market. It will readjust istself quickly, you can already see that the losses were bigger elsewhere than in the UK. I am much more worried about the exchange rate. It is tangible to all of us, directly affecting prices such as fuel, and jobs.
One comment is very often heard recently is 'this vote is about ordinary people give the elite a kick'. I wonder who really is going to get that kick economically.
Apparently petition for a second referendum is so popular that it crashed the government website yesterday. I much prefer fresh general elections.

The pound will strengthen again soon. The EU is has lost a cash cow and when the economies of Portugal, Spain Greece and a few others crash, which they will, so will the Euro and the pound will strengthen. The Euro pound to Euro exchange rate closed higher yesterday than it was only 2 or 3 years ago. It will regain its value in the coming months. Might cost us a couple of quid extra to fill up in the mean time. No biggie.

 

[flecc]

I don't quite understand how big businesses work in a global environment, but I can't help wondering why they would choose to leave the UK, a stable law abiding country which has links all round the world and speaks the international language. What about France a country where they strike at the drop of a hat and seem to succeed in stopping everything, and they don't seem to want to work more than 35hours. Plus the country under Holland's seems to be in decline , and then there are some extreme political parties on the rise. What about Italy noted for corruption and being run by the Mafia, who seem to change their prime ministers with great regularity. Or Germany a great country run very efficiently but unfortunately don't seem to have many words with less than 18 letters. Just saying

You're forgetting the Eastern European countries though, they 've been the big attraction for manufacturing and even our farming industry.

And don't forget our few successes don't stay faithful. JCB has a plant and head office here, but the bulk of it's production and many factories are all in other countries, the biggest by far being in India. And all Dyson's production is in China now.

It's all very well having an office here, but the bulk of jobs are in the manufacturing etc, and that's more profitably done elsewhere now.
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[oldgroaner]

I don't quite understand how big businesses work in a global environment, but I can't help wondering why they would choose to leave the UK, a stable law abiding country which has links all round the world and speaks the international language. What about France a country where they strike at the drop of a hat and seem to succeed in stopping everything, and they don't seem to want to work more than 35hours. Plus the country under Holland's seems to be in decline , and then there are some extreme political parties on the rise. What about Italy noted for corruption and being run by the Mafia, who seem to change their prime ministers with great regularity. Or Germany a great country run very efficiently but unfortunately don't seem to have many words with less than 18 letters. Just saying

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