Brexit, for once some facts.

[Kudoscycles]

I have to have sympathies with anyone starting a business today.
When I started Rally Design,20 years old,I had £1200,a red van and a few good suppliers,life was simple.
The nearest thing to couriers was the Railway parcels service,hopeless to use.
So I drove the country every 10 days,picking up from my suppliers and dropping off to my customers,my half way was Middlesborough.
I did that for 6 months,never filled in any form,fed every penny back in until it had enough to pay me a wage,my wife had a reasonable job and used to give me pocket money,hehe.
Now,I have decided to start a new business,the form filling is horrendous,getting a vat number,insurance,opening bank account,import deferment etc etc,I have all the support of an established business and the knowledge gained from 45 years of trading plus known at the bank. I feel sorry for anyone starting out as a newbie,it must put a lot of people off,every institution seems to want to create obstacles,even if you want to give them money.
KudosDave

 

[Woosh]

When I started my PC business, it was also easy. I bought a second hand Commodore Pet 2001 in 1980, played with it for a few days. As it did not have much RAM onboard (only 8k were onboard), I ran out of things to do with it. I knocked up an add-on board for my PC and took it to my local computer club. My friends suggested I should sell it, so I rang the PCB place, asked them to print me 100 extra boards and placed an ad in Practical Wireless. I sold the first 100 then made some more. Not much capital was needed, about £500 to start with.

 

[oldtom]

Oldtom,
You seem to have a very skeptical view of anyone who does not agree with you.
After brexit, what do you think we should do? accord the same preferential treatment to EU citizens like before?

The word is 'sceptical' unless you are American? Regardless, thank you for your opinion of my view.

That aside, you appear to accept that 'Brexit' is a foregone conclusion whereas I still hope good sense will prevail between now and then, so I don't wish to speculate as to any immigration requirements, visa possibilities or free movement of EU citizens. If the worst comes to the worst, I can happily live full-time abroad. I already enjoy a halfway-house arrangement and while I'm abroad, there isn't very much I miss about the UK. Should the UK economy suffer badly after any secession which may come to pass, then there would be even less attraction for me to spend time in the UK.

Tom

 

[Woosh]

you appear to accept that 'Brexit' is a foregone conclusion

unless Mrs May's government is booted out, then yes, I do.
If brexit is reverse, then there is nothing to argue about.

 

[oldtom]

We can only see the world through the filters we have been conditioned to use.

Only 15 words in that but it is very true and a telling indictment of why we are where we are today after thousands of years of evolution.

I am not very religious but it strikes me that so many of the problems around the world have been inherited rather like the 'sins of the father' syndrome related in various books of the bible.

It just occurred to me, mentioning religion, that the words of JC could be applied to those who voted to leave in the June referendum - 'Father forgive them for they know not what they do'. Basically, JC was saying he was surrounded by a bunch of thickos!

Tom

 

[oldtom]

Although I'm a supporter of the socialist Labour Party, I am very uncomfortable with the presence of Tom Watson as Deputy Leader - I trust him about as much as I trust the Arsenal's defence to keep a clean sheet!

This piece of news, (available elsewhere), from 'The Canary' makes very disturbing reading regardless of one's political persuasion. I can't quite work it out but I have grave misgivings about it.

http://www.thecanary.co/2017/02/23/why-has-max-mosley-given-tom-watson-300k/

Tom

 

[Danidl]

When I started my PC business, it was also easy. I bought a second hand Commodore Pet 2001 in 1980, played with it for a few days. As it did not have much RAM onboard (only 8k were onboard), I ran out of things to do with it. I knocked up an add-on board for my PC and took it to my local computer club. My friends suggested I should sell it, so I rang the PCB place, asked them to print me 100 extra boards and placed an ad in Practical Wireless. I sold the first 100 then made some more. Not much capital was needed, about £500 to start with.

.. good on you. 500 in 1980 was not an inconsiderable sum. A good make of car eg Toyota collora could be purchased new for less than 5 times that.

 

[oldtom]

'Vox Political' draws attention to a problem we have known about for some time but which has been largely ignored by those in parliament, bent on a headlong rush towards 'Brexit".

http://voxpoliticalonline.com/2017/02/23/no-special-deal-possible-to-stop-the-return-of-border-controls-between-uk-and-ireland/

Tom

 

[oldtom]

Does anyone like a good old conspiracy theory?

If you do, try this one:

http://uk.businessinsider.com/labour-mp-ben-bradshaw-suspicious-russian-interference-brexit-2017-2?utm_content=bufferc0a72&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer&r=US&IR=T

Tom

 

[Woosh]

.. good on you. 500 in 1980 was not an inconsiderable sum. A good make of car eg Toyota collora could be purchased new for less than 5 times that.

so true.
Computer stuff cost a fortune in those days.
You could nearly buy a flat for the price of some early PCs.
I used to sell PC hard drives for more than £1,000 a pop and the price of SCO Unix and Novell licences made me want to cry.

 

[oldgroaner]

Does anyone like a good old conspiracy theory?

If you do, try this one:

http://uk.businessinsider.com/labour-mp-ben-bradshaw-suspicious-russian-interference-brexit-2017-2?utm_content=bufferc0a72&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer&r=US&IR=T

Tom

You are going to get tillson all over excited with that Tom

 

[oldtom]

You are going to get tillson all over excited with that Tom

Yes, I can see it now - 'We won; you lost. Get over it!'.....or words to that effect.

Tom

 

[tillson]

Yes, I can see it now - 'We won; you lost. Get over it!'.....or words to that effect.

Tom

We won, you lost, get over it. Satisfied?

You need to demonstrate more grace in defeat Tom.

 

[Zlatan]

We won, you lost, get over it. Satisfied?

You need to demonstrate more grace in defeat Tom.

OG could always make space in co op for him, reckon that would be graceful.

 

[oldgroaner]

OG could always make space in co op for him, reckon that would be graceful.

Birds of a Feather Mock together etc.,

 

[tillson]

A fine endorsement of BREXIT in the two elections last night.

 

[tillson]

OG could always make space in co op for him, reckon that would be graceful.

It would provide a certain symmetry to the spectacle.

 

[oldgroaner]

From the Independent
"
Jeremy Corbyn under pressure after Tories unseat Labour in historic by-election upset
Fresh doubts over leader as party loses scenic Cumbrian constituency it has held since 1935 - with opposition to nuclear power at the heart of defeat

Quid Nunc old chap!
However the old Joke about the teenager bring Father's car back and saying the Good news is the Airbags work, has to be this
"
Stoke by-election result: Labour secures emphatic victory as Ukip's Paul Nuttall crashes out
Emphatic win partially alleviates disappointment at historic defeat in Copeland
Poor old Nuttall!
Conceding defeat, he said "Ukip's time will come", adding that he planned to stand as an MP in the 2020 general election.

And he gave the Quotable quote of the day
"I'm not going anywhere," he said.

 

[oldgroaner]

A fine endorsement of BREXIT in the two elections last night.

Actually it wasn't, was it?
Copeland was all about Corbyn's stance on the Nuclear issue, and your poster boy Nuttall had his face rubbed into it, didn't he?

People have got bored with Brexit as a long lost cause, and are looking at other things would be a more accurate assessment

 

[oldtom]

Two things happened on the political front yesterday:

The first notable point is that the electorate in Copeland voted in an understandably protectionist manner by rejecting the Labour Party candidate on account of Labour's lack of support for the nuclear industry.

The second significant event occurred when voters in Stoke on Trent thoroughly rejected the opportunity to elect the leader of UKIP, choosing a Labour candidate instead.

While neither of these events has much bearing on the current political make-up of the UK, the Stoke result is interesting in as much as this was a very carefully selected constituency by UKIP's research people and was seen as a great opportunity to boost the party's flagging fortunes while putting their lying leader into the HofC.

That went badly wrong and it probably marks the beginning of the end for this now redundant group of right-wing extremists.

In summary, the tories must be delighted while Labour need to find a left-of-centre candidate to replace JC as party leader. Lovely chap though he is, another leader with a more definitive position on the importance of the nuclear industry, would see Labour regain the Copeland seat at the next election. By that, I mean that there needs to be a clear distinction between our ongoing need to rely on nuclear power production but we most certainly do not require nuclear weapons.

Tom