Brexit, for once some facts.

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Bet Boris has seen it. EU will be looking far more attractive to him.
If he did, the ERG won't support him, he will never reach the second round of the next tory leadership contest. Even if he did, haft of tory membership won't vote for him.
The tories have a problem with the EU. It won't go away even if 60+ % of the population want to rejoin.
 
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If he did, the ERG won't support him, he will never reach the second round of the next tory leadership contest. Even if he did, haft of tory membership won't vote for him.
The tories have a problem with the EU. It won't go away even if 60+ % of the population want to rejoin.
Indeed.

With the Tories and Labour both unacceptable, I've decided our only hope is for Nicola Sturgeon to put up SNP candidates in all English and Welsh constituencies.

Then with the SNP in power in Westminster and Holyrood, they can give permission for all three of us to leave the UK and rejoin the EU, automatically dissolving the UK and leaving the DUP up the creek without a paddle.

The perfect solution, killing all birds with one stone. We could even disown the UK three trillion national debt. "Nothing to do with us guv!"
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Indeed.

With the Tories and Labour both unacceptable, I've decided our only hope is for Nicola Sturgeon to put up SNP candidates in all English and Welsh constituencies.

Then with the SNP in power in Westminster and Holyrood, they can give permission for all three of us to leave the UK and rejoin the EU, automatically dissolving the UK and leaving the DUP up the creek without a paddle.

The perfect solution, killing all birds with one stone. We could even disown the UK three trillion national debt. "Nothing to do with us guv!"
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I think most of us have established that under starmer (or sukak/chunt for that matter) we will, expediently, sooner rather than later "run into the arms of the EU" (to misquote Bono)
 
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Starmer /Sunak will claim that our bespoke deal with the EU is better than membership because we don't have to take on a share of their debt
 
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Starmer /Sunak will claim that our bespoke deal with the EU is better than membership because we don't have to take on a share of their debt
They can claim it, but the truth is that we dont have a deal, just a temporary fariff free arrangement as much to suit Germany short term** as anything. This has brought an ongoing permanent decline in trading with the EU and no access to new services exports to the EU.

What we should have been doing is negotiating individual trade agreements with the EU like the 120 the Swiss have, but the Tories have been too obsessed with the silly notion that we'll get plenty with the rest of the world to do that, so our decline continues.

** Germany is already removing reliance on the UK. BMW has announced that the electric Mini will no longer be made at Oxford, only the ic models. Since they will be banned as new sales in just under seven years, we already have the date of their closing the Oxford plant, another Tory Brexit achievement.
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Bbc news is doing zahawi story with Dan Neidle who is at the centre.
 
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They can claim it, but the truth is that we dont have a deal, just a temporary fariff free arrangement as much to suit Germany short term** as anything. This has brought an ongoing permanent decline in trading with the EU and no access to new services exports to the EU.
I mean a deal that they are going to negotiate after sorting out the NI protocol.
 
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@Danidl - Horrible night-time agonising calf muscle awakenings: I had stopped taking Dioralyte for a few days, and the day before last I walked just over 4 miles shopping, then another 1.8 miles to work, plus I walked another 4.2 miles to the train station, to work and back that night = at least 10 miles... and... I wasn't woken by horribly and persistent calf muscle cramping. However, I did experience a bit of cramping in my calf muscles and feet while walking, or standing still in the cold. Therefore Dioralyte continues to prevent my muscles from cramping. It was too cold to cycle to and from the train station, and I need to do more walking anyway - this bike has destroyed my walking fitness. I was a reassuring to discover I was still capable of walking that far in total, but towards the end of the final leg, it was rather harder than it was prior to getting the pedelec. One of my neighbours is a borderline case for leg amputation :eek:, due to chronic septicemia (circulation problem - he's quite sedentary)... deffo worth avoiding that scenario!

My two cats died of heart problems, which caused kidney problems through inadequate blood supply... therefore I wonder if Dioralyte/electrolytes are working, because I'm generally more dehydrated than I used to be? Perhaps I should drink like a horse after walking/cycling/cantering?
 
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Sophie Ridge on Sky News interviewing Michael Gove: Simon Case wrote a note to Johnson days before Richard Sharp's nomination: stop asking Sharp for financial advice!
 

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@Danidl - Horrible night-time agonising calf muscle awakenings: I had stopped taking Dioralyte for a few days, and the day before last I walked just over 4 miles shopping, then another 1.8 miles to work, plus I walked another 4.2 miles to the train station, to work and back that night = at least 10 miles... and... I wasn't woken by horribly and persistent calf muscle cramping. However, I did experience a bit of cramping in my calf muscles and feet while walking, or standing still in the cold. Therefore Dioralyte continues to prevent my muscles from cramping. It was too cold to cycle to and from the train station, and I need to do more walking anyway - this bike has destroyed my walking fitness. I was a reassuring to discover I was still capable of walking that far in total, but towards the end of the final leg, it was rather harder than it was prior to getting the pedelec. One of my neighbours is a borderline case for leg amputation :eek:, due to chronic septicemia (circulation problem - he's quite sedentary)... deffo worth avoiding that scenario!

My two cats died of heart problems, which caused kidney problems through inadequate blood supply... therefore I wonder if Dioralyte/electrolytes are working, because I'm generally more dehydrated than I used to be? Perhaps I should drink like a horse after walking/cycling/cantering?
Cat's heart problems gave you kidney issues? Can't see it myself..but stress is a strange master.
You weren't giving cats dioralyte were you?
 
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Cat's heart problems gave you kidney issues? Can't see it myself..but stress is a strange master.
You weren't giving cats dioralyte were you?
Get real man....
 

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@Danidl - Horrible night-time agonising calf muscle awakenings: I had stopped taking Dioralyte for a few days, and the day before last I walked just over 4 miles shopping, then another 1.8 miles to work, plus I walked another 4.2 miles to the train station, to work and back that night = at least 10 miles... and... I wasn't woken by horribly and persistent calf muscle cramping. However, I did experience a bit of cramping in my calf muscles and feet while walking, or standing still in the cold. Therefore Dioralyte continues to prevent my muscles from cramping. It was too cold to cycle to and from the train station, and I need to do more walking anyway - this bike has destroyed my walking fitness. I was a reassuring to discover I was still capable of walking that far in total, but towards the end of the final leg, it was rather harder than it was prior to getting the pedelec. One of my neighbours is a borderline case for leg amputation :eek:, due to chronic septicemia (circulation problem - he's quite sedentary)... deffo worth avoiding that scenario!

My two cats died of heart problems, which caused kidney problems through inadequate blood supply... therefore I wonder if Dioralyte/electrolytes are working, because I'm generally more dehydrated than I used to be? Perhaps I should drink like a horse after walking/cycling/cantering?
Cat's heart problems gave you kidney issues? Can't see it myself..but stress is a strange master.
You weren't giving cats dioralyte were you?
And or psychosocial transitions, change. Death of a pet can be surprisingly triggering. Robin that visited my garden for years recently died, as I was retiring, caused a raft of unexpected nightmares. But running, especially when slow, can be good meditation, good luck.
 
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And or psychosocial transitions, change. Death of a pet can be surprisingly triggering. Robin that visited my garden for years recently died, as I was retiring, caused a raft of unexpected nightmares. But running, especially when slow, can be good meditation, good luck.
He was sudddenly very close to making my "Ignore" list. Saves me no end of stress - very useful feature of this website.

Are you running again? How's the knee? I'd go slow, or I go slow: 2 miles last week, slow during the day... but I was slow jogging so slow, that I became embarassed when I was only just about keeping up with a couple of people walking ahead of me, and I did what one shouldn't do - I sped up to overtake... very slowly... and then became even more embarassed when they started to catch up again.. so I crossed over the road, too fast, got puffed out and that upset the ghostlike balance of my weightless ninja-mind.

Animals can end up occupying the same region of one's mind we use for small children, is my explanation. I quite understand why some lonely people kill themselves after the death of a pet.
 
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He was sudddenly very close to making my "Ignore" list. Saves me no end of stress - very useful feature of this website.

Are you running again? How's the knee? I'd go slow, or I go slow: 2 miles last week, slow during the day... but I was slow jogging so slow, that I became embarassed when I was only just about keeping up with a couple of people walking ahead of me, and I did what one shouldn't do - I sped up to overtake... very slowly... and then became even more embarassed when they started to catch up again.. so I crossed over the road, too fast, got puffed out and that upset the ghostlike balance of my weightless ninja-mind.

Animals can end up occupying the same region of one's mind we use for small children, is my explanation. I quite understand why some lonely people kill themselves after the death of a pet.
But we do to be fair all upset each other, I've singlehandedly alienated most on the thread (it's why I'm keeping stumm about say sunak finally firing zahawi - and my boundless admiration for the tories for always finding a way to dig the hole that little bit deeper).
Something you said about gradients helped, this is very simplistic, but I've prohibited myself from watching telly on phone when on treadmill, only listen radio. Result is more upright posture and gradually what was probably early arthritis in knee completely disappeared. Well that and keeping it slow and notching gradient down a fraction. Its an almighty relief, don't know what I'd do if I couldn't run at all.
Yes pets oddly become profound attachments, companions, used to have German shepherd I still think about more than most people I've known.
 
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But we do to be fair all upset each other
There's only so much I will put up with. I don't have time for endless arguments.


Something you said about gradients helped,
I don't think I've said much about gradients, other than take it slow (of course lol - it's slow low elevation running) and take tiny steps, as you would use more pedal rotations uphill by bike. My "Zone" is where slow jogging takes almost as little effort as walking, and if it isn't, I relax, and remind myself to slow down a little more.


I've prohibited myself from watching telly on phone when on treadmill, only listen radio. Result is more upright posture and gradually what was probably early arthritis in knee completely disappeared.
It's awesome that the early arthritis disappeared. I always speed up listening to music, haven't tried slow jogging to "How to win friends and influence people". I doubt that Dale Carnegie would approve of my communications...


Yes pets oddly become profound attachments, companions, used to have German shepherd I still think about more than most people I've known.
Best not allow space for that to grow. It's unconditional affection with pets. I didn't realise you had retired: More time for hobbies? Such as converting your tiny classic car?


(it's why I'm keeping stumm about say sunak finally firing zahawi - and my boundless admiration for the tories for always finding a way to dig the hole that little bit deeper).
Had no idea that had happened. Now that Rod Stewart has rasped disapproval, surely it can't be long before a new Tory rebrand is elected?
 
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Get real man....
It wasn't an insult Guerney. Read your post carefully. It can easily be interpreted your cats heart issues were some how related to your kidney problems. ( you refer to yourself in same sentence, I believe JA assumed similar) It was an attempt at humour. Apologies if it was interpreted as argumentative. And to be fair you do make some rather sweeping, out of the box statements which invite critical /humorous comment. Feel free to stick me on ignore tho, you won't be the first.
It doesn't help my phone won't support imogies being posted. I would have put a smiley on post you took exception to.
 

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