Brexit, for once some facts.

[oldgroaner]

And yet another example from OG...
Brexit voters are fools...
Its second nature to just insult and forum,media simply accept it, until we reach level KTM posted an example of...

I actually totally agree with your stance KTM, but where do we start... Just read posts on here...

There is no way on earth half of insult,prejudiced, racism , bigotry would be tolerated in a pub, face to face...but on here ( and internet in general) its acceptable..or some think it is...

From many there is a total lack of respect for others opinions and an attitude where its perfectly ok to insult, call names and make sweeping generalisations.. Its demonstrated continually on here.

And I agree , those people you mention are dangerous but so are the other extremes...the ones at other end of spectrum. Those setting themselves up as championing their own bigoted stance, those bringing in fascist arguments, those throwing words around such is xenophobia, racist etc etc..
And BTW how do you know the idiot you gave example of is not merely discrediting UKIP from stance of other extreme. ???? You simply do not know, its all so anonymous??

That's the best self portrait you have painted so far, even if it is little more that the same self important rant you made when you first appeared.
Not having much luck with your moral crusade are you?
Just a suggestion give up on this holy mission and post on topic for a change?

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[Woosh]

I dont see why at the end of May's EU negotiations there should not be 3 way parliament free vote....
1. Accept the deal that May has achieved.
2. Reject the deal and just split with no deal.
3. Stay in the EU,if May cannot negotiate a good deal.
That surely is democracy in action.
KudosDave

she won't last 5 minutes if she ever contemplates staying in the EU.
brexiters won round 1. Just accept it and prepare for round 2 in 2020.

 

[KTM Bike Industries UK]

she won't last 5 minutes if she ever contemplates staying in the EU.
brexiters won round 1. Just accept it and prepare for round 2 in 2020.

but in a general election the votes are split by a million issues. Do you really think if parliament decides that when its looked at all the deals that we're best remaining. UKIP will suddenly get a majority? I think not. Don't forget most of both houses are in favour of remaining.

 

[Woosh]

No, not Ukip. They were a mean to an end, the brexit tory and labour voters who lent their votes to ukip last time will revert back to their traditional stand and local issues. May and Corbyn may face personal challenges from remainers though. If the LibDems manage to find some local talents, who knows. We may end up with a coalition government which won't be able to rule the country like a dictatorship.

 

[flecc]

she won't last 5 minutes if she ever contemplates staying in the EU.
brexiters won round 1. Just accept it and prepare for round 2 in 2020.

I think there's a real chance that we could remain. All the EU countries want us to remain in. I can easily envisage a scenario where the exit terms are made very harsh and unattractive, but accompanied by tempting promises and some actual changes to suit us if we remain.

That could make it attractive for Conservative MPs to vote against the exit deal on offer and dump the expendable Theresa May.
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[Danidl]

I dont see why at the end of May's EU negotiations there should not be 3 way parliament free vote....
1. Accept the deal that May has achieved.
2. Reject the deal and just split with no deal.
3. Stay in the EU,if May cannot negotiate a good deal.
That surely is democracy in action.
KudosDave

.... If only but option 3 is unavailable, read article 50.

 

[Woosh]

I think there's a real chance that we could remain. All the EU countries want us to remain in. I can easily envisage a scenario where the exit terms are made very harsh and unattractive, but accompanied by tempting promises and some actual changes to suit us if we remain.

That could make it attractive for Conservative MPs to vote against the exit deal on offer and dump the expendable Theresa May.
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I reckon only a coalition government would contemplate to remain.

 

[Danidl]

I think there's a real chance that we could remain. All the EU countries want us to remain in. I can easily envisage a scenario where the exit terms are made very harsh and unattractive, but accompanied by tempting promises and some actual changes to suit us if we remain.

That could make it attractive for Conservative MPs to vote against the exit deal on offer and dump the expendable Theresa May.
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...... And you think hope that the terms would be enticing to all other EU member states. It only requires one of them (us), to disagree.
Anyway changes to EU conditions can only (usually) take place following referendums in a number of the member states

 

[Kudoscycles]

she won't last 5 minutes if she ever contemplates staying in the EU.
brexiters won round 1. Just accept it and prepare for round 2 in 2020.

When the Leavers wake up to how much this is all costing then its the Leavers who will turn into Remoaners,many already have....thats why May wont allow a second referendum.
Feel good today,another 400 prices on my business went up by 10%,I must say if I knew how easy people are accepting these price rises I would have voted Brexit myself. Cannot understand it but business is booming at the moment,the higher the prices the more people buy.
Kudos e-bikes are close to restocking,that will be an average 10% rise.,we have held as long as we can.
KudosDave

 

[flecc]

.... If only but option 3 is unavailable, read article 50.

The EU can offer it, using article 49, and they want us to remain. As mentioned above, the Conservative MPs could dump Theresa May and her restrictions with her.
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[Danidl]

I think there's a real chance that we could remain. All the EU countries want us to remain in. I can easily envisage a scenario where the exit terms are made very harsh and unattractive, but accompanied by tempting promises and some actual changes to suit us if we remain.

That could make it attractive for Conservative MPs to vote against the exit deal on offer and dump the expendable Theresa May.
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The best way of remaining is by not leaving!

 

[KTM Bike Industries UK]

.... If only but option 3 is unavailable, read article 50.

its available if all parties agree. Which they would, its in everyones interests to have the UK threaten to leave, realise life on the outside is worse and then beg to be allowed to stay. Its the ideal situation for the EU.

 

[oldgroaner]

...... And you think hope that the terms would be enticing to all other EU member states. It only requires one of them (us), to disagree.
Anyway changes to EU conditions can only (usually) take place following referendums in a number of the member states

The way things could go we could possibly fit in a short Ice age before getting a final result!

 

[Kudoscycles]

.... If only but option 3 is unavailable, read article 50.

Not according to Lord Kerr,the man who designed Article 50,he has said it is reversible.....Google him,its easy to find.
KudosDave

 

[flecc]

The best way of remaining is by not leaving!

That would need Theresa May to be dumped by the end of March. I don't see that happening which is why I'm looking at other possibilities for undoing the notice to leave.
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[oldgroaner]

The best way of remaining is by not leaving!

We are in the presence of Genius! You get my vote!

 

[Woosh]

I must say if I knew how easy people are accepting these price rises I would have voted Brexit myself.

I did say businesses don't have much to worry about brexit.

 

[Kudoscycles]

If le Pen,gets in in France and Frexit,there may be no EU to leave.
KudosDave

 

[tillson]

I have just been asked to explain the 19% increase in the price of a KTM Macina Sport CX5+ from 2016 - 2017, by a member of the public.

I thought some of you might like to see the reply.

"There are some tiny differences in the spec, for instance the brakes are the new M8000 series XT ones, so there is a small amount of adjustment there.

The new frames do cost a bit more, there is a lot of work that goes into the new shape, so that does account for some of the increase.

However there is a large increase because of the exchange rate risks.

Back in June 2015 when the 2016 price was set, we were looking at converting the € price to £s on an exchange rate of £1.00 = €1.39

We delayed and delayed issuing the 2017 prices last summer, but it had already dropped to €1.20 to the £

It was also predicted to get worse, which has proven to be the case, the price is set for 12 months, so we had to plan in a safety margin.

So that's pretty much a 14% increase at cost price, just moving the bike into the UK.

In addition the € dropped quite a bit against the $ and the swiss frank where KTM buy a lot of their component parts from, so that meant KTM's cost price also went up.

So, yes the £700 increase is just over 19%... so actually I'm afraid less than it should be.

We've halved our margin on eBikes to allow us to keep the RRP from going up any more this season.

God only knows what will happen to the RRPs in 2018 if we trigger A50 and leave the single market as is currently planned.

The only saving grace for us is that we are not alone, pretty much everything in cycling is imported, so the price rises are effecting EVERYTHING.

Also, you've got to factor in the fact that all our business costs have gone up, fuel, couriers basically everything FLi pays out has gone up because of the decrease in the value of the £. So not only have we halved our margin to keep the price low, we've also found our expenses have gone up. So I think more price rises will be fed into the system at some point.

Its not good, we're making less money, working harder and you, the end consumer ends up paying a lot more for the same thing."

Between 2009 and the start of 2015, the Pound was never worth more than 1.30 Euros, spending most of the time just below 1.20 Euros.

Then came the Greek debt crisis and the second bail out during 2015. The value of the Euro took a hit and the Pound peaked at 1.40 Euros.

Next we had the BREXIT vote in 2016 and today we see the Euro back to 2009 - 2015 levels.

I do not dispute that the differential in the value of the Pound against the Euro since 2015 has not had some impact, but you are exaggerating. You have carefully selected a Euro value that was artificially high for your illustration and you quoting this news with peevish relish and with an air of, "look what you fools voted for." What you are up to is very transparent and it fools no one.

I don't care if you have put up the price of a KTM Macina Sport CX5+ by 19%. Put it up 50% if you like. Many people will be buying them with money they haven't got anyway, so if you put them off making an unwise purchase, you might have done them a big favour.

There is going to be a heft price to pay for all of the consumer borrowing and the pain is coming. I am pleased to see that you taking a stance against it by putting people off KTM products.

 

[flecc]

I must say if I knew how easy people are accepting these price rises I would have voted Brexit myself.

Trouble is that it's their credit cards that are accepting the price rises, easy to accept.

It's when the pain strikes later that the real consequences are seen.

It's happened so many times before, but it seems our public will never learn.
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