Brexit, for once some facts.

[Danidl]

And finally a smigin of potentially good news. The Head of Microbiology at TCD, Luke O' Neill relayed some positive possibility... That elements of the Common Cold Virus have been identified in the Omnicron variant. On one hand this gives it it's supercharged virulence, ..but the consequence is possibly that of a common cold ., So might not clog up anything except the Lemsip aisle in Tesco's. His point is that the science of this is evolving extremely rapidly , and there is daily new information. I think he was indicating that while it will present at Covid on PCR or LFTs ,it will manifest as a common cold. In other words a sheep in wolves clothing...
And with that he then proves positive for Covid today , having had his 3 rd jab last Thursday!.

 

[Zlatan]

Well done, that last sentence is essentially what scientists do.

Not quite OG.
A scientist will have an hypothesis about a subject which they set out to prove or disprove.
Think we tend to have biased opinions and search Internet to find a correspondingly biased "scientific" justification.
It's strange, we all insist we research and follow science but not one of us changes our opinions.. Well human nature I suppose.

 

[flecc]

I do think tho that death rate is so personal in most cases its hardly worth quoting.
It boils down to an individuals chance of dying and not so many from a theoretical (healthy) 100.
I, ve got a few underlying issues so question should be how many in my circumstances would die out of the 100...and really nobody knows.

Agreed, the sample to derive a death rate has to be large enough to include a realistic cross section of the population to represent all.

And I don't think many of the comparisons with other countries are valid when their difference can be so great.
.

 

[Woosh]

it will manifest as a common cold. In other words a sheep in wolves clothing...

or governments' fear mongering.

 

[Danidl]

we don't know how many have had covid without reporting though.
Death rates this year is a quarter of last year same time. I think hospital admissions is a better yardstick.
The way to deal with covid in the future is going to be taking one antiviral tablet after you have a positive test.

I am more and more inclined to think if it's not man made, it's going to be maintained indefinitely by industry and those with a mission in one form or another.

Death rates are down , despite increased virulence due to a number of factors
1. Vaccines work, even where the patient gets infected ,and even with one dose
2. In the very early days only known very seriously ill people were tested and the published death rated were 11% of those known
3. Better nursing, if the hospital is not overburdened.
4. Whole population testing means that younger fitter people are found positive.

 

[oyster]

Are we going to get the pills?

At-home Covid pill pilot ‘to be rolled out before Christmas’

The UK has secured enough supplies of the drug to treat 480,000 people with the order set to be delivered to the UK by the end of the year

At-home Covid pill pilot ‘to be rolled out before Christmas’

The UK has secured enough supplies of the drug to treat 480,000 people with the order set to be delivered to the UK by the end of the year

www.independent.co.uk

That was, of course, a week ago. And a week is a long time in politics.

Enough to treat 480,000 by Christmas, yet we need a million a day to be vaccinated.

 

[Danidl]

or governments' fear mongering.

In fairness it is very fast moving science ... A Government must prepare for a less than most positive outcome.. The very best Christmas present we could all get is if this Omnicron, roared like a Lion ,was a virulent as they claim, produced the classical Covid immune response with lots of antibodies, but was actually a mouse of a infection. Then we might have achieved the herd immunity levels

 

[oyster]

In fairness it is very fast moving science ... A Government must prepare for a less than most positive outcome.. The very best Christmas present we could all get is if this Omnicron, roared like a Lion ,was a virulent as they claim, produced the classical Covid immune response with lots of antibodies, but was actually a mouse of a infection. Then we might have achieved the herd immunity levels

And T-cells.

And that the responses are effective against all known and unknown variants.

Certainly, if crossing fingers and toes works, that is the case.

 

[Zlatan]

Are we going to get the pills?

At-home Covid pill pilot ‘to be rolled out before Christmas’

The UK has secured enough supplies of the drug to treat 480,000 people with the order set to be delivered to the UK by the end of the year

At-home Covid pill pilot ‘to be rolled out before Christmas’

The UK has secured enough supplies of the drug to treat 480,000 people with the order set to be delivered to the UK by the end of the year

www.independent.co.uk

That was, of course, a week ago. And a week is a long time in politics.

Enough to treat 480,000 by Christmas, yet we need a million a day to be vaccinated.

Vaccines would be needed by everyone.. The pills only for those at risk and having caught it.??

 

[jonathan.agnew]

And finally a smigin of potentially good news. The Head of Microbiology at TCD, Luke O' Neill relayed some positive possibility... That elements of the Common Cold Virus have been identified in the Omnicron variant. On one hand this gives it it's supercharged virulence, ..but the consequence is possibly that of a common cold ., So might not clog up anything except the Lemsip aisle in Tesco's. His point is that the science of this is evolving extremely rapidly , and there is daily new information. I think he was indicating that while it will present at Covid on PCR or LFTs ,it will manifest as a common cold. In other words a sheep in wolves clothing...
And with that he then proves positive for Covid today , having had his 3 rd jab last Thursday!.

Stating the bleeding obvious, but polly is back. Can't help thinking she's like the ghost of Christmas past, although I seem to be entirely oblivious to the redemption she's offering

 

[oyster]

Vaccines would be needed by everyone.. The pills only for those at risk and having caught it.??

Yes, but...

If the rate ramps up as much as the worst-possible predictions, there will be a huge number concurrently infected. Which then means we have to decide who should get the limited supply with very little information to go on. Probably not much more than a patient ringing up and saying they feel ill. Especially if testing is limited - in availability or efficacy.

We can, nonetheless, hope that a large proportion neither need nor ask for these pills. Meaning there are enough for those who do need them. Though not clear how people will get hold of them.

 

[flecc]

Then we might have achieved the herd immunity levels

That London is already a long way to achieving.
.

 

[flecc]

Stating the bleeding obvious, but polly is back. Can't help thinking she's like the ghost of Christmas past, although I seem to be entirely oblivious to the redemption she's offering

POLLY had never left, keeping a watching brief, when prodded he (yes, he is he) reappears.
.

 

[oldgroaner]

Parody Boris Johnson@BorisJohnson_MP
·
1h

It’s really frustrating that the website for booking booster jabs has crashed and we’ve run out of lateral flow tests. I think the NHS could have used the four hours’ notice I gave them a bit more wisely.

 

[oldgroaner]

Not quite OG.
A scientist will have an hypothesis about a subject which they set out to prove or disprove.
Think we tend to have biased opinions and search Internet to find a correspondingly biased "scientific" justification.
It's strange, we all insist we research and follow science but not one of us changes our opinions.. Well human nature I suppose.

And scientists are as human as the rest of us

 

[oyster]

And airlines might even be more human than we had thought:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1470347823933755392

 

[guerney]

COVID-19 New Delta Strain: China reports cases of a new more transmissible Delta strain, 'sub

In China, 138 locally-transmitted cases of COVID-19 have been confirmed in Zhejiang Province. These cases are said to be from the new Delta strain, "sub-lineage AY.4", prompting authorities in the province to bar millions of people from travelling to other parts of the country. A surge in...

www.wionews.com

 

[guerney]

Congrats - fwiw I found distraction (long slow runs in moonlight on country roads for its own sake, hobbies, even work relationships, friendship) the best way to shift weight. Avoid getting preoccupied with it, or going into battle with it. Simply distract (in my case its mostly boredom and existential malaise that fuel the eating anyway). Oddly the same approach worked best when cold turkeying cigarettes and booze (regardless of what authorities say about using support and placebos)

Have a placebo for exercise scrubbed and sent to my tent! Normally, I get preoccupied with weight loss for a week or two, lose about 4lbs and then do my best to exercise for a couple of weeks, then it's back to intermittent fasting again etc. Doing both at the same time is far too brutal - I got some sort of weird cold last time (pre-pandemic). I'll keep going till I can see one or two of my abs again... they're in there somewhere wrapped in rivulets of fat, maybe they'll be shiny when they appear.

I've never been able to cold turkey nicotine, but it became progressively easier to cope with not eating more than one meal a day - blood sugar levels were forced to stabilise. I experience the feeling of hunger for about an hour. Simply drinking a glass of water at the time of day when I would normally have another meal, keeps me hydrated. Caffeine increases appetite, but despite that, I drink black tea and coffee to retain a modicum of much needed brain function. This intermittent fasting approach could kill a diabetic or someone with heart problems, via a big post singular daily meal blood sugar spike and sudden elevated blood pressure (a cautionary FYI). Still, losing weight is one of the few things I can do to reduce my risk of dying from Covid besides vaccines, boosters, masks, and generalised doomsday prepper-like self-isolation. Avoids the need for statins and other pharmaceuticals for as long as possible. My GP was impressed at my weight loss, he really didn't believe I'd be able to do it - he'd recommended statins, when I was much more of a lardarse.

 

[soundwave]

Vaccine Damage Payments - a Freedom of Information request to Department for Work and Pensions

Please can you provide the following: 1) The number of claims made under the Vaccine Damage Payments Scheme for all COVID-19 vaccines. 2) Of the number of claims in part 1, how many resulted in granting the payment? 3) The number of claims made under the Vaccine Damage Payments scheme for all...

www.whatdotheyknow.com

establishing, on the balance of probabilities, that the disablement was caused by
vaccination covered by the Vaccine Damage Payment Scheme (VDPS);
2.
the resulting disablement is severe disablement (60% or more)
The majority of claims to the Vaccine Damage Payment Scheme are turned down on the
basis of medical assessments that have concluded, vaccination did not cause the disability.
145 claims have been received where vaccination against COVID-19 has been cited by the
claimant as being responsible for the disabling condition. To date no payments have been
made.
Since 1 January 2000, 2347 claims have been made, excluding those citing COVID-19.
Of those 2347 claims, 41 have resulted in an award.
The figures provided are correct to 16 June 2021

Table 4: Number of suspected ADR reports received in the UK up to and including 1 December 2021.
Number of reports

Country	COVID-19 Pfizer/ BioNTech Vaccine	COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca	COVID-19 Vaccine Moderna	Brand unspecified
England	108,266	196,785	16,806	775
Wales	7,055	10,535	623	71
Northern Ireland	2,575	2,920	157	16
Scotland	10,574	17,017	2,097	140

Coronavirus vaccine - summary of Yellow Card reporting

www.gov.uk

worst vaccine roll out in history with the amount of adr reported so far and i bet none of them will get 1 penny out of the dwp.



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[Zlatan]

Have a placebo for exercise scrubbed and sent to my tent! Normally, I get preoccupied with weight loss for a week or two, lose about 4lbs and then do my best to exercise for a couple of weeks, then it's back to intermittent fasting again etc. Doing both at the same time is far too brutal - I got some sort of weird cold last time (pre-pandemic). I'll keep going till I can see one or two of my abs again... they're in there somewhere wrapped in rivulets of fat, maybe they'll be shiny when they appear.

I've never been able to cold turkey nicotine, but it became progressively easier to cope with not eating more than one meal a day - blood sugar levels were forced to stabilise. I experience the feeling of hunger for about an hour. Simply drinking a glass of water at the time of day when I would normally have another meal, keeps me hydrated. Caffeine increases appetite, but despite that, I drink black tea and coffee to retain a modicum of much needed brain function. This intermittent fasting approach could kill a diabetic or someone with heart problems, by big post singular daily meal blood sugar spike and sudden eleveatedblood pressure (just a cautinary FYI). Still, losing weight is one of the few things I can do to reduce my risk of dying from Covid besides vaccines, boosters, masks, and generalised doomsday prepping self-isolation.

I, ve recently had a long discussion with my consultant... Believe it or not, he actually came around to my way of thinking... A bit..
Since going back into permanent AF (quite severe aswell, heart rate varies from perhaps 30bpm to 120 bpm over course of a few seconds)I find dieting /keeping weight down incompatible with any form of exercise..
Choice is put a few kg and feel strongish or lose weight.... And feel weak with little to no exercise... I, d rather enjoy eating and then feel capable of some exercise.. than get down to dome nominal weight based on what is a silly parameter. (BMI).
Before seeing consultant he said get down to 100kg.. Having seen him (well him see me I suppose) and explaining eating regime/exercise electric bike usage... He actually said.. Forget your weight. Do what makes you feel stronger and keep doing as much as you can... Reckoned if I got covid I, d be better for exercise..
Still awaiting date for ablation tho.
Still think losing weight whilst under weather for whatever reason isn't a great combination. My blood sugars, cholesterol etc are perfect. Never smoked and hardly drink.. But love eating and emtb..