Brexit, for once some facts.

[flecc]

I also know that some places I have worked would have had me escorted from the premises for being in possession of alcohol (other than, possibly, in a shopping bag to take home).

You've worked in some strange places, a drink in the office on certain special occasions is quite commonplace.
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[oyster]

You've worked in some strange places, a drink in the office on certain special occasions is quite commonplace.
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Well aware of that. But companies have had so many issues with drinking, including answering phones with slurred voices, poor adherence to serious health and safety issues, driving home after - while over the limit, and the many mistakes in performing duties that are so easy to make when even a small amount has been consumed, that no-alcohol rules are much more common than was once the case.

I particularly remember one place, part of the civil service (though I was a contract worker, not staff). One person there had a severe drink problem. He'd regularly drink from a hip flask - surreptitiously and not seen by most people (certainly not by me).

It was when he was arrested for crashing into another car, while something like three times the limit, the story came tumbling out. He blamed the other car for being in poor condition, otherwise the damage would not have been serious. (It was a write-off.)

Ended up going to gaol as it was his third similar offence. And dying a few months later while still inside while being divorced by the wife who couldn't take it any longer.

And some of the work he had been involved in came to me. Where I saw how much hos work was affected by alcohol.

That made me realise that drink and work do not mix, in any way.

Arrange an external event by all means, but pretty much ban all alcohol at work.

 

[flecc]

Well aware of that. But companies have had so many issues with drinking, including answering phones with slurred voices, poor adherence to serious health and safety issues, driving home after - while over the limit, and the many mistakes in performing duties that are so easy to make when even a small amount has been consumed, that no-alcohol rules are much more common than was once the case.

I particularly remember one place, part of the civil service (though I was a contract worker, not staff). One person there had a severe drink problem. He'd regularly drink from a hip flask - surreptitiously and not seen by most people (certainly not by me).

It was when he was arrested for crashing into another car, while something like three times the limit, the story came tumbling out. He blamed the other car for being in poor condition, otherwise the damage would not have been serious. (It was a write-off.)

Ended up going to gaol as it was his third similar offence. And dying a few months later while still inside while being divorced by the wife who couldn't take it any longer.

And some of the work he had been involved in came to me. Where I saw how much hos work was affected by alcohol.

That made me realise that drink and work do not mix, in any way.

Arrange an external event by all means, but pretty much ban all alcohol at work.

It wouldn't bother me, I don't drink any alcohol

But you really do have a robotic attitude at times. Humans are not machines designed and maintained for the optimum performance. They are animals with emotions, feelings and preferences that guide them at all times, while being incapable of perfection.

That alone demands tolerance.
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[oldgroaner]

You've illustrated just how OTT this witch hunt is, a total lack of any sense of proportion.

Cut some slack, just as all the public have for themselves, probably including you. Or are you truly perfect in every respect?
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yup

 

[oldgroaner]

It wouldn't bother me, I don't drink any alcohol

But you really do have a robotic attitude at times. Humans are not machines designed and maintained for the optimum performance. They are animals with emotions, feelings and preferences that guide them at all times, while being incapable of perfection.

That alone demands tolerance.
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Sadly I have zero tolerance for fascist treason, and this defence of a working meeting falls down on the fact that only right wing news outlets were at it, and it was clearly secret.
How much of a smell of rodent do you need?
This isn't a witch hunt it's simply vermin attacking vermin.
Entirely staged deliberately by the likes of the ERG to oust De Piffle and appoint one of their gibbering idiots.
Brexit isn't working and they want to take drastic measures.

 

[Danidl]

You've worked in some strange places, a drink in the office on certain special occasions is quite commonplace.
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Not really strange places . Many US companies have extremely rigid practices. Remember aircraft pilots are not allowed consume is it 18 hours before a flight. Having a single member in a production team sozzled puts everything in jeopardy. Writing this reminded me of an incident decades ago when I was a newly appointed Head of Department. We had the Winter Examination Board meeting scheduled just before Christmas. One of the staff had brought in whiskey for hot whiskey which a number of the board had had a few before the meeting. The meeting was heading towards shambles until I abandoned it and voided all the results and required thrm to come in the next day, sober.

 

[flecc]

Sadly I have zero tolerance for fascist treason, and this defence of a working meeting falls down on the fact that only right wing news outlets were at it, and it was clearly secret.

That's peripheral. The discussion is about an alleged staff party at number 10, to which many other events have been added, including the gathering you mention and some drinks at the treasury on another occasion.

These additions are the clearest indication possible that this is a witch hunt, a desperation to get to the objective, regardless of what that takes and becoming so confused that the original objective to "Get Boris" has been forgotten by many.
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[jonathan.agnew]

No different from what hordes of the public did, except that the public actions were often very harmful to public health, those at 10 Downing Street were clearly not.

Why in both cases? People are only human, they like to have some control over their own lives and deserve to have that. Unfortunately our idiot governments have taken that away with overly rigid Covid controls which I've condemned from the very beginning of the pandemic.

As you all know, instead I've been advocating the Swedish approach of voluntary action, seeking public co-operation with hardly any enforcement, predicting that brings better results. That is what has happened since we have almost 50% more deaths pro rata than Sweden, due entirely to our foolish over restriction which has given rise to rebellious refusals to co-operate with Covid safety measures.

That is why I take the position I have over the current fuss, it's petty and vindictive and entirely unnecessary. Some slack should be cut to allow for the natural behaviour of the staff, especially since it did absolutely no harm, as they knew it wouldn't.
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It is a terrible shame we can't get everyone else- the young and vulnerable - to risk everything, their health and lives from our safe triple vaccinated insular positions. And its not at all hypocritical to want others to put themselves in harms way while we avoid just that. And I think, while I'm at it, it's a terrific shame boris the great and noble has to put up with such trifles as money and ethics. And I'm not just saying that because I've want to reverse ferret (and god knows I do after the lament for labour of the last fifty pages). Or because I think you're deliberately trying to stir it up (as I do). No, I'm mainly saying it because regardless of any pontificating here, boris is toast

Boris Johnson has 'f***ed it' and has 'lost the dressing room', say Tory MPs

'He is treating the British public like he has his previous relationships and it’s not an edifying sight'

inews.co.uk

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[flecc]

Not really strange places . Many US companies have extremely rigid practices.

Many of us regard the USA as a very strange place.

Especially since Donald Trump became president.
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[flecc]

Or because I think you're deliberately trying to stir it up (as I do).

I'm not doing that, I genuinely mean what I've posted on this subject.

boris is toast

I despise him, but he's survived far worse than current events so I wouldn't bet on him going now. The Tories have an overall majority in parliament that he got for them, would any of their alternatives get that now? I think not.

When they resume thinking, they will see survival in power as paramount.
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[jonathan.agnew]

I'm not doing that, I genuinely mean what I've posted on this subject.



I despise him, but he's survived far worse than current events so I wouldn't bet on him going now. The Tories have an overall majority in parliament that he got for them, would any of their alternatives get that now? I think not.

When they resume thinking, they will see survival in power as paramount.
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The recent events is in psychobabble about primary rather than secondary gain - it's driven by boris' character, not circumstance. If you think this escalating shitshower is about to stop, or has reached its crescendo, you've another thing coming. Next week will bring something far more serious than parties or wallpaper, as well as more of that.

 

[flecc]

If you think this escalating shitshower is about to stop, or has reached its crescendo, you've another thing coming.

I don't think anything of the sort, I've simply said the witch hunt should stop, especially now that the minions may become it's victim, rather than the principal.

There's no need for any effort to get rid of Boris Johnson, he'll do that himelf just as he always has done:

London Mayor. Failed so he ran away back to parliament.

Foreign Secretary. Failure, so he resigned.

Now Prime Minister, you can enter the dittos.
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[oldgroaner]

Many of us regard the USA as a very strange place.

Especially since Donald Trump became president.
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The American Corporation I worked for had always had a ban on alcohol on the premises from way back

 

[flecc]

The American Corporation I worked for had always had a ban on alcohol on the premises from way back

Kentucky Bourbon was it?
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[guerney]

I for one, admire what Micro Biologists have achieved... being so small

 

[guerney]

Or because I think you're deliberately trying to stir it up (as I do).

I think you're being extremely generous. Some people who seem to love wildlife, feel little for human beings - I sometimes suspect I might be one of them. I really do like this "Ignore" function. I no longer see uninteresting irrational musings of at least three members, which keeps my blood pressure comfortably lower.

 

[guerney]

Boris will never quit...

Well aware of that. But companies have had so many issues with drinking, including answering phones with slurred voices, poor adherence to serious health and safety issues, driving home after - while over the limit, and the many mistakes in performing duties that are so easy to make when even a small amount has been consumed, that no-alcohol rules are much more common than was once the case.

I particularly remember one place, part of the civil service (though I was a contract worker, not staff). One person there had a severe drink problem. He'd regularly drink from a hip flask - surreptitiously and not seen by most people (certainly not by me).

It was when he was arrested for crashing into another car, while something like three times the limit, the story came tumbling out. He blamed the other car for being in poor condition, otherwise the damage would not have been serious. (It was a write-off.)

Ended up going to gaol as it was his third similar offence. And dying a few months later while still inside while being divorced by the wife who couldn't take it any longer.

And some of the work he had been involved in came to me. Where I saw how much hos work was affected by alcohol.

That made me realise that drink and work do not mix, in any way.

Arrange an external event by all means, but pretty much ban all alcohol at work.

At around this time of year, I start glugging whiskey coffee... but it's a slippery slope which leads to more and more alcohol, about a stone gained and much producivity lost for about a month, at which point I dry out and start on the road to losing all that fat surrounding and impeding proper function of my internal organs yet again... Stating the bleeding obvious: It's so much easier (and fun!) putting weight on.

 

[guerney]

Anybody else think WHO have been utterly useless during pandemic.
Always give advice post event.. Originally said travel had been responsible for spreading Covid(you don't say) and that corridors should have bern closed earlier. Shouldn't they have told everybody that when it could have done something.
Their spokes person always tries to look smart but relaxed, relaxed like a bloke late for interview because he, d had to change wheel on his Porsche and left his top button on done to tell everybody.
Came on other day and said"Omicron had changed direction of Pandemic".. With no explanation of which way... But day before they were saying we should be reinstating all travel across borders.
Seems to me to be a toothless useless organisation. Either give it some clout or close it.

The WHO rely on evidence: Peer reviewed studies mostly, which take time to be assessed. It a slow moving scientific approach to decision making, rather than a predominately political one.

 

[guerney]

Blimey - I received a letter asking me to book my booster (months late). Time to crowbar all those planks of wood over the door off... hoping that anarchy doesn't erupt or that I don't get Omicroned while getting boosted.

 

[oyster]

It's only an opinion poll, of course...

Labour races to nine-point lead in polls in wake of sleaze controversies at No 10
Labour has its biggest lead since 2014 while a large majority of voters now think Johnson should resign