Brexit, for once some facts.

oyster

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Not remarkable:

UK trade has shrunk since Brexit while EU thrives - data
BREXIT, according to its backers, was meant to create endless opportunities. So far, however, the UK has failed to make the vote profitable, with the prospect of "global Britain" quickly fading according to recent data.


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Oh good!

EU Member States Agree to Extend Free Mobile Roaming Policy Until 2032
Friday December 10, 2021 3:19 am PST by Tim Hardwick
So-called mobile phone "roaming" will remain free within the European Union for another decade, the European Commission has confirmed.
 

jonathan.agnew

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Just checked all 120 from the company were double vaccinated. He doesn't say if the other people who were infected were vaccinated or not.
There is the cheerful prospect us getting an omicron and delta wave for Xmas (for the separate cohorts of vaccinated and unvaccinated)
 

flecc

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There is the cheerful prospect us getting an omicron and delta wave for Xmas (for the separate cohorts of vaccinated and unvaccinated)
Too gloomy, typical of SAGE.

There's also the possibility of Omicron killing off Delta and then perhaps itself.

I wish you a Merry Christmas and a Happy jab free New Year.
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Too gloomy, typical of SAGE.

There's also the possibility of Omicron killing off Delta and then perhaps itself.

I wish you a Merry Christmas and a Happy jab free New Year.
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God knows, I live by vigor's black box (principle from sailing) - hoping for the best, but preparing for the worst. And, to be fair, I seem to be alive.
 
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Zlatan..... You need to go a little deeper. Look at the WHO DAILY bulletins, There are new potential epidemics from all the golden oldies nearly every day, and the vast majority are snuffed out at a local level. The Covid is literally the one that got away, and it got away because its mode of transmission was unusual . .. people were infectious BEFORE they even felt bad..
Regarding Omicron, what did you expect him to say?.... What he actually said was the truth. The only thing he knew with some certainty was that it had multiple variations compared with Delta...and that it was more transmissible.
Now you constantly complain about organisations which are not authoritarian, without accepting that Nation States ,including all 220 are each sovereign. Organisations including the UN IMO, EU can only move on anything with the AGREEMENT of their members.
Fair point Danidl, but surely WHO could offer more than
"Omicron could change direction of Pandemic"
It's almost a useless quango. It should have power to shut transport down from regions it sees as dangerous. Leaving it to individual countries has proved ineffective... So we need a World Health Organisation but have one that offers contradictory advice. (originally saying travel should stop now saying it shouldn't)
 

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There is the cheerful prospect us getting an omicron and delta wave for Xmas (for the separate cohorts of vaccinated and unvaccinated)
that is possible but I reckon they try to cover themselves in case Omicron turns out to be milder than Delta and the combined infection is mild. Sage's reputation would then be in the bin.
We'll know in a couple of weeks.
Just look at the number of tests versus number of positive tests.
In the last 7 days, 11% more tests, 8% more positive results.
 
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It should have power to shut transport down from regions it sees as dangerous.
I am sure some people at the Daily Express would like the WHO to have that power!
 

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to be fair, I seem to be alive.
Only partly alive.

To be fully alive requires optimism, and you don't seem to have much of that where Covid is concerned.

Ultimately Covid can only have a good outcome:

1) We survive it, that's good.

2) We don't, but since we can never know we are dead, that's ok too.
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Only partly alive.

To be fully alive requires optimism, and you don't seem to have much of that where Covid is concerned.

Ultimately Covid can only have a good outcome:

1) We survive it, that's good.

2) We don't, but since we can never know we are dead, that's ok too.
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I am a bit fed up with covid to be honest.
We've got 3 jabs, the rest is in our genes.
 
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I am a bit fed up with covid to be honest.
We've got 3 jabs, the rest is in our genes.
Fully agreed.

If the government come up with more of the same jabs on a perpetual booster/repeat program, they can stick them in themselves.

I've had quite enough and I'm sure that is true of the majority of the population.

They will decide what happens next, not the government.
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surely WHO could offer more than
"Omicron could change direction of Pandemic"
It's almost a useless quango.
In respect of enforcement, the WHO, the EU and the UN are all useless quangos. Supra-national organisations only have the power to order what the nations grant them, and only the even less power to enforce that those nations will back them with.

For example long ago the UN voted in two resolutions on Israel ordering the following:

Withdraw to the 1967 border.

Dismantle the illegal settlements in the West Bank.

Israel's response was to advance even further beyond the 1967 border to build a barrier wall and approve and defend many more illegal settlements in the West Bank.

In theory the UN can invade Israel and enforce their orders. In practice though they can only do that with armed forces from the member countries that approved the resolutions, and they are never going to volunteer them to do that.

So it's not the UN that is useless, it is the member nations who wont live up to what they know is needed.

Exactly the same is true of the WHO, the EU and all other supra-nationals, lack of support by those who put them where they are, thus rendering these supra-nationals impotent.
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If you are getting tired reading about Johnson's many failings, seems TM made some serious errors as well:

Watchdog says it was misled over reason for GCHQ boss’s resignation
Intelligence committee found out through the media about Robert Hannigan’s link to disgraced priest

Hope she will be called to account.
 

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Has it taken the ongoing crises to move on the huge stain on the government?

Iran says UK is discussing how to repay £400m debt
Ambassador says British officials visited Tehran last week for talks on historical debt from 1970s arms sale

Is Truss trying to position herself?
 
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Omicron hasn't really hit here yet so below are the current numbers in my areas of interest put on record before it does. They can be compared later if and when it does.

They make it look like the vaccines cause death, but of course that isn't the case. It's simply a comparison of the effectiveness of immunity from prior infection of the earliest hardest hit Covid areas, showing that it is at least as effective as vaccination, something now officially accepted here. As you'll know from my earlier posts on this the figures are very consistent:

UK . . . . . with 1st and 2nd vaccines: 81% - - Death Rate: 1.1 per 100k.

London . with 1st and 2nd vaccines: 74% - - Death Rate: 0.8 per 100k.

Croydon . with 1st and 2nd vaccines: 61% - - Death Rate: 0.5 per 100k.

Lambeth with 1st and 2nd vaccines: 59% - - Death Rate: 0.3 per 100k.
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Do you have the link to where these figures come from? I'd like to work out exactly what they mean.
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I tried out my new heated gloves this morning...
The instructions state the batteries will last for 2.5 hours on full power I see no reason to doubt that...
Sealskinz...
I am probably going to try them out on my motorbike tomorrow...
For reference: I believe that this kit would allow the gloves to work off a 12V motorcycle system.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/BARCHI-HEAT-Motocycle-Battery-Adaptor/dp/B07WLZNX8Y?ref_=ast_sto_dp&th=1

I've also now used my new Sealskinz heated gloves a couple more times.
I rode in to work on Monday and it was peeing down the whole 25mile journey. The top layer of the glove is supposed to be waterproof (Goretex). I believe it is! it worked well in keeping me dry.
The palm however is leather, and while my hands were not wet at the end of the ride, the glove was a lot heavier with water and it was certainly damp inside at the end of the day when I had to ride home - so, as per pretty much every other glove (other than a marigold!) nothing is 100% waterproof for hours at a time in the rain.

I'd also agree that 2.5 ish hours is probably what the batteries will last for on full power.
And they take something like 4-5 hrs to recharge.

I do wish they were warmer - my hands never get toasty in them when riding (but they aren't freezing either, so they obviously are working) but then if they were hotter, the batteries would last even less or they'd have to be bigger!

I suspect that they also provide less heating as the batteries discharge, so running them off an external battery pack or that adapter I posted above might be a good option.
 
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As a completely irrelevant point, it struck me that the official government page for Johnson states:

10 Downing Street is the official residence of the First Lord of the Treasury, and not of the Prime Minister.

But everywhere you look, you see that the £30,000 per years "decorating allowance" is paid to the Prime Minister.

Why would it not be paid to the First Lord of the Treasury? Especially as the flat decorated isn't even the PM's, nor the FLoT's, official residence!
 
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Do you have the link to where these figures come from? I'd like to work out exactly what they mean.
Ta.

They are just using the government's own website above.

What they illustrate is that the areas hardest hit at the outset of Covid-19 gained natural immunity from their high levels of infections. Although suffering very high levels of death in that first early 2020 phase, the immunity gained resulted in far lower death rates in later phases such as the Alpha (Kent) and Delta variant surges. The end result is that those hardest hit areas haven't suffered any more deaths than the country at large.

To expand on this:

London was the first to have Covid, two infected Chinese people on 29th January 2020, so with no protection, social distancing or guidance that early it spread like wildfire. Once Covid became established more widely London was reported as having 2.5 times the infection rate of the rest of the country, with boroughs like my own Croydon one and the adjacent Lambeth at around four times. Hence them being sampled.

Of course with London having the highest population density in the country by far, being the first to get the infection and therefore having it the longest, plus by far the lowest vaccination rates and an extremely high black population who are much more vulnerable to Covid , London should logically have the greatest number of deaths by a huge margin. But it hasn't suffered any more than elsewhere over the whole two years.

The reason for that as I've been arguing all along is that initial very widespread gain of natural immunity. Fortunately I now have the support of the government's chief statistician, Professor David Spiegelhalter who has belatedly reached the same conclusion, saying that the natural immunity from that early Covid infection is at least as effective as that from the vaccines and may be more so. He's looking at the whole country of course, but from my extrapolated London data I believe it's definitely a little more effective than the vaccines.

However, since the vaccines are also effective in avoiding the worst that Covid can do to one, it's best for all concerned to have both the vaccines and any gained natural immunity to ensure the best outcome.

My interest in that post was to record the stable present base from which I'll be able to judge how effective or not our natural immunity is against Omicron as it invades.

Stepping away now from that subject, I turn to the uselessness of testing since the results are worthless. It's blindingly obvious everywhere from the government's own data that the higher the acceptance of vaccines, the higher the infection rates. For example:

UK 81% have had both vaccines, infection rate per 100k is 488.

Lambeth only 59% with both vaccines, infection rate 272.

Not because the vaccines don't work, simply because those who don't bother to get the vaccines don't bother to get tested so far fewer infections can get detected.

Widely analysing that ratio of vaccinations to infection rates leads me to the conclusion that the infection rate is very similar everywhere in the country, now that Covid is everywhere.
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