Brexit, for once some facts.

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It is truly amazing what The Telegraph will print
"After 55 years of hurt, tears and misery, finally some joy. England last night made history - and created mass hysteria across the country"
I don't think England made history, there is only one thing that makes history and that's the passage of time.
At least if England win the Euros final it might stop the crowing about 1966.
 
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oyster

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Very neat design, but just as doomed as all the previous flying car and floating car designs. Great for shows and exhibitions but ultimately impractical since they cannot reach the necessary standards and safety requirements for both modes.

If anyone wants to invent something truly new, we are still waiting for the car that can both take to the water and fly, now that would really be something.
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Even if they did reach those safety standards, just how many would be allow to be flying over, say, London? I simply cannot see sufficient numbers being allowed to fly simultaneously to make a significant difference to existing traffic.

There is a possibility that they could be of use in more sparsely populated areas, primarily for special purposes.

And how much would one cost - even to hire by the hour?
 
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flecc

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Even if they did reach those safety standards, just how many would be allow to be flying over, say, London?
For the most part, none.

I've flown in this area a number of times and the regulations for single engines planes mean one must be in gliding distance of some clear space to land in an emergency.

For example on flights from my Biggin Hill area, across South East London within glide distances of open space to the Thames estuary.

Then on one of them in a single engined helicopter, faithfully following the Thames west along its twisting length until emerging onto open country on the Western side, then cutting across to Chobham airfield in Surrey.
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oyster

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Did you know that Sunday 4th July is Thank You Day (in the UK)?

I had not the slightest idea until about thirty seconds ago. I'd never even heard of such a day.
 
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oldgroaner

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Did you know that Sunday 4th July is Thank You Day (in the UK)?

I had not the slightest idea until about thirty seconds ago. I'd never even heard of such a day.
I think it's because we were under the illusion we had got rid of America, No doubt this will inspire the EU to come up with a version of their own
For some reason or other :cool:
 
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Very neat design, but just as doomed as all the previous flying car and floating car designs. Great for shows and exhibitions but ultimately impractical since they cannot reach the necessary standards and safety requirements for both modes.

If anyone wants to invent something truly new, we are still waiting for the car that can both take to the water and fly, now that would really be something.
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A flying car is a stupid idea. Having driven the car away from the airfield and parked it in a non aviation specific area, I wouldn’t fly it again until it had undergone an extensive safety inspection. Something much more detailed and thorough than a pre-flight A Check. Parked unattended, there are so many things which could be slightly damaged or fiddled with, many of which could have a catastrophic affect in flight.

An aircraft is an aircraft and a car is a car. The two don’t mix.
 

oldgroaner

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A flying car is a stupid idea. Having driven the car away from the airfield and parked it in a non aviation specific area, I wouldn’t fly it again until it had undergone an extensive safety inspection. Something much more detailed and thorough than a pre-flight A Check. Parked unattended, there are so many things which could be slightly damaged or fiddled with, many of which could have a catastrophic affect in flight.

An aircraft is an aircraft and a car is a car. The two don’t mix.
I've never seen a flying car
On the other hand I've seen plenty of these
They seem to suffer from heavy landings
 

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Even if they did reach those safety standards, just how many would be allow to be flying over, say, London? I simply cannot see sufficient numbers being allowed to fly simultaneously to make a significant difference to existing traffic.

There is a possibility that they could be of use in more sparsely populated areas, primarily for special purposes.

And how much would one cost - even to hire by the hour?
Noise will almost certainly be a serious issue with them. (even worse that most motorcycles)
 

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Danidl

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A vendor within the EU exporting to the UK would be expected NOT to charge their country's VAT at all.
Cop yourself on!. This is the intrinsic difference between would and should . If one is a small operation in Spain , Ireland or Germany and you are a retail customer in the UK, they will charge the full price they will charge their local customer within the EU. They will then send in their monthly return to their local tax office. It is no skin off their nose that the British customer has paid a little more than they might. The admin cost of deducting the 5 euro off your saddle bag just is not worth the bother. Either pay the VAT or don't purchase. They are not going to bother with maintaining parallel accounts systems.

Now if you are a big customer like Woosh buying 1000 saddle bags, and who has all the customs clearance documents to hand, then it is a different matter.

There are some retail outlets geared up especially for duty free export of goods ..I am sure there is an office in Harrods , there is certainly ones in the expensive giftware sections of any our luxury shops ..eg Waterford Crystal
 

Danidl

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This one might have escaped you all but the High Court in Belfast today has cleared up a conundrum. The Act of Union of 1800 which joined Ireland to GB is no more. A group of Conservatives including your redoubtable kate Hoey took a case arguing that the NI Protocol was unconstitutional or illegal or something because it did not agree with what they wanted. Anyway the decision was that the Brexit Withdrawal Act , in which the NI Protocol is a part , being the later Act of the British Parliament , overwrites and supercedes any provisions of the 1800 Act , which conflict with it.
 

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And it also says:

You will not have to pay anything to the delivery company to receive goods worth less than £135 unless they’re gifts over £39 or excise goods (for example, alcohol and tobacco).
you are still paying UK VAT for goods bought from overseas sellers even when it's under £135. See the explanation below.

This is the legal position from 1-January:

For most consignments not exceeding £135 in value, instead of VAT being collected at importation or delivery to the customer, VAT will be accounted for at the point of sale.

For VAT purposes the supply will be treated as follows:

  • if an OMP is not involved in facilitating the sale, there will be a supply direct from the seller to the consumer, which will be deemed to take place in the UK and so liable to UK VAT
  • if an OMP is involved in facilitating the sale, they will be deemed, for VAT purposes, to be making the supply to the UK consumer, which will be deemed to take place in the UK with UK VAT chargeable accordingly
In both instances the value of the goods for VAT purposes will be based on the price at which they are sold to the consumer rather than any valuation calculated at the point of importation.

For goods that are located overseas at the point of sale, the new arrangements will apply irrespective of where the OMP or the business selling the goods is established.

This means that the following types of businesses will have to register for UK VAT (if not already registered) and account for VAT to HMRC:

  • any business that operates an OMP that facilitates sales of goods to UK customers
  • any business that sells goods directly (without OMP involvement) to UK customers where the goods are (a) outside UK at the point of sale (b) imported to the UK in consignments not exceeding £135 in value
Businesses established outside the UK and selling goods to UK customers where the goods are already in the UK at the point of sale are liable for UK VAT on those sales under existing rules. Such businesses should already be VAT registered.
 

soundwave

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buy one and you tell me if you have to pay extra to import it ;)
 

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