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flecc

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they have to use an online service provider such as twobirds, taxamo assure, Aura etc
These organisations collect your VAT payment + £2 to cover the admin cost.
All the couriers and RM have to comply.
So as I said, very similar to what has previously existed where the couriers collected the VAT.
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they have to use an online service provider such as twobirds, taxamo assure, Aura etc
These organisations collect your VAT payment + £2 to cover the admin cost.
All the couriers and RM have to comply.
That would count as an OMP - and I completely agree that they are doing as you say (though the admin cost might vary a bit).

I am referring, primarily, to those who sell directly and couldn't give a damn about HMRC. They charge the same price (e.g. $100) within the USA or when sent to the UK - simply adding the P&P cost. (Actually, within the USA, they have to worry about state sales taxes and that mess!) A classic mom and pop outfit with their own tiny and old-fashioned website, in a specific instance I am aware of.

Half of them are still unaware that the £15 allowance has been abolished! The P&P remains the same (around $33) whether the product value is £14.99, £134.99 or £150 - so that obviously doesn't include VAT collection.

People are doing this and receiving the items with no additional charge for VAT.
 
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Half of them are still unaware that the £15 allowance has been abolished! The P&P remains the same (around $33) whether the product value is £14.99, £134.99 or £150 - so that obviously doesn't include VAT collection.
If the vendor does not pay those taxes as part of the process, the responsibility of filing import declaration and paying VAT will ultimately be of the recipient in case customs & excise takes an interest.
The courier will normally hold on to the goods until import taxes are paid.
From tomorrow (1-July), any goods I sell to EU customers will have to go through the new procedure (EU import one stop shop). The new procedure will pay for itself if any item has to be sent back for service.
 
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If the vendor does not pay those taxes as part of the process, the responsibility of filing import declaration and paying VAT will ultimately be of the recipient in case customs & excise takes an interest.
That looks difficult to argue with this specific statement on government website:

Goods worth £135 or less in total

If you bought the goods yourself and they are not excise goods, the seller will have included VAT in the total you paid.
https://www.gov.uk/goods-sent-from-abroad/tax-and-duty

Not "the seller might have", or "the seller should have", or "hopefully the seller will have", or "the law demands that the seller must have" - but "the seller WILL have".
 

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If you bought the goods yourself and they are not excise goods, the seller will have included VAT in the total you paid.
https://www.gov.uk/goods-sent-from-abroad/tax-and-duty

Not "the seller might have", or "the seller should have", or "hopefully the seller will have", or "the law demands that the seller must have" - but "the seller WILL have".
the same web page also states:

"You’ll be contacted by Royal Mail, Parcelforce or the courier company if you need to pay any VAT, duty or delivery charges (‘handling fees’) to receive your goods.

They’ll send you a bill stating exactly which fees you need to pay.

They’ll normally hold your parcel for about 3 weeks. If you have not paid the bill by then, your parcel will be returned to the sender."

If the vendor does not pay C&E, C&E will ask you to pay.
 
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That looks difficult to argue with this specific statement on government website:

Goods worth £135 or less in total

If you bought the goods yourself and they are not excise goods, the seller will have included VAT in the total you paid.
https://www.gov.uk/goods-sent-from-abroad/tax-and-duty

Not "the seller might have", or "the seller should have", or "hopefully the seller will have", or "the law demands that the seller must have" - but "the seller WILL have".
Well that will be the situation on any goods purchased from a EU member state and to any retail eg not VAT Registered customer. I cannot see that it would be applicable for countries outside the EU ,who run different regimes. I would take it as reading that you the UK customer can assume that the other countries Tax is included in the price you pay. ...but you have no chance in getting it refunded.
 
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It is truly amazing what The Telegraph will print
"After 55 years of hurt, tears and misery, finally some joy. England last night made history - and created mass hysteria across the country "

It's a bloody game!
Where does the hurt, tears and the misery come from in a game that consists of two teams of men in their underwear kicking a defenseless ball around and trying to get it between the opposition's goalposts?
Ah, perhaps those are the sentiments of the ball? o_O

As to the mass hysteria bit, no thank you, football ranks for me beneath committing Seppuku with the rough end of a rag man's rusty trumpet
Could this be the source of the mass hysteria?
"

A new Public Health Scotland report has linked almost 2,000 positive Covid cases to Euro 2020 match attendance.​
 

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a game that consists of two teams of men in their underwear kicking a defenseless ball around and trying to get it between the opposition's goalposts?
That's how I've viewed football from the point of view of ever playing it, to the extent of getting into trouble by point blank refusing to play it at school.

But I can enjoy watching the remarkable skills that exist in top class football, though better in highlights programs on TV rather than a whole match.
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That's how I've viewed football from the point of view of ever playing it, to the extent of getting into trouble by point blank refusing to play it at school.

But I can enjoy watching the remarkable skills that exist in top class football, though better in highlights programs on TV rather than a whole match.
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I try to say something positive in football's favour

It's not as boring as Cricket
 
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fancy a flying car?



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-57651843

apparently it can stay in the air for about 35 minutes and take a couple of minutes to fold out the wings.

Quote:

The narrow wings fold down along the sides of the car.
Prof Klein drove it straight off the runway and into town upon arrival, watched by invited reporters.
He described the experience, early on Monday morning, as "normal" and "very pleasant".
In the air, the vehicle reached a cruising speed of 170km/h.
It can carry two people, with a combined weight limit of 200kg (31 stone).
 

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I try to say something positive in football's favour

It's not as boring as Cricket
..only because the games are shorter!.. if you want to see mind blowing athleticism look at the All Ireland Hurling final. Then remember these guys ( the girls version is Camogie) are amateurs.
 

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..only because the games are shorter!.. if you want to see mind blowing athleticism look at the All Ireland Hurling final. Then remember these guys ( the girls version is Camogie) are amateurs.
And no, I lasted 10 minutes once on a hurling field , being the coward I am.
 

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the same web page also states:

"You’ll be contacted by Royal Mail, Parcelforce or the courier company if you need to pay any VAT, duty or delivery charges (‘handling fees’) to receive your goods.

They’ll send you a bill stating exactly which fees you need to pay.

They’ll normally hold your parcel for about 3 weeks. If you have not paid the bill by then, your parcel will be returned to the sender."

If the vendor does not pay C&E, C&E will ask you to pay.
And it also says:

You will not have to pay anything to the delivery company to receive goods worth less than £135 unless they’re gifts over £39 or excise goods (for example, alcohol and tobacco).
 

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Well that will be the situation on any goods purchased from a EU member state and to any retail eg not VAT Registered customer. I cannot see that it would be applicable for countries outside the EU ,who run different regimes. I would take it as reading that you the UK customer can assume that the other countries Tax is included in the price you pay. ...but you have no chance in getting it refunded.
A vendor within the EU exporting to the UK would be expected NOT to charge their country's VAT at all.
 
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It is truly amazing what The Telegraph will print
"After 55 years of hurt, tears and misery, finally some joy. England last night made history - and created mass hysteria across the country "

It's a bloody game!
Where does the hurt, tears and the misery come from in a game that consists of two teams of men in their underwear kicking a defenseless ball around and trying to get it between the opposition's goalposts?
Ah, perhaps those are the sentiments of the ball? o_O

As to the mass hysteria bit, no thank you, football ranks for me beneath committing Seppuku with the rough end of a rag man's rusty trumpet
Could this be the source of the mass hysteria?
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A new Public Health Scotland report has linked almost 2,000 positive Covid cases to Euro 2020 match attendance.​
Hang on, at risk of becoming the de facto policeperson for stretched metaphors, isnt a "rusty trombone" a legendary sex act?
 
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flecc

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fancy a flying car?



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-57651843

apparently it can stay in the air for about 35 minutes and take a couple of minutes to fold out the wings.

Quote:

The narrow wings fold down along the sides of the car.
Prof Klein drove it straight off the runway and into town upon arrival, watched by invited reporters.
He described the experience, early on Monday morning, as "normal" and "very pleasant".
In the air, the vehicle reached a cruising speed of 170km/h.
It can carry two people, with a combined weight limit of 200kg (31 stone).
Very neat design, but just as doomed as all the previous flying car and floating car designs. Great for shows and exhibitions but ultimately impractical since they cannot reach the necessary standards and safety requirements for both modes.

If anyone wants to invent something truly new, we are still waiting for the car that can both take to the water and fly, now that would really be something.
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