Brexit, for once some facts.

Danidl

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Have a word with Chris Witty,seems you know more than he does. Give him a ring flecc. He obviously doesn't know all you mention. Unbelievable.
There is a saying that when you are up to your neck in crocodiles, its easy to forget you went there to drain the swamp. I really expect that is where Whitty saw himself and the UK in mid December.. .. official management speak is" the urgent displaces the important."
 
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oldgroaner

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Obviously Chris Witty isn't, whereas Flecc is..
Your problem is you don't know the difference
Between Intelligence
And Wisdom

Education may hide the fact and frequently does, that few people are capable of both.
For example
 
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Zlatan

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Can't find video but it's explained in here.
The chances of mutation are much less risk than risk we, d be taking vaccinating slower.
They knew about mentioned risk straight away.It's not new,and it was answered in briefing at least 3 weeks ago,probably more.
Its quite obvious really, had it been a significant risk, they would not have extended delay.
 
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Zlatan

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Your problem is you don't know the difference
Between Intelligence
And Wisdom

Education may hide the fact and frequently does, that few people are capable of both.
For example
And you do. Or, infact you are saying Chris Witty doesn't.
Yet again OG and Flecc not only professing to know more than I do, which to be honest wouldn't be difficult, they know more than Chris Witty and combined knowledge of Sage and JCVI. It is quite unbelievable.
Yep, like I know more about sailing than Ben Ainsley.
Chris Witty has forgotten more about epidemiology than us lot combined could ever know.
OG has spent his life designing toilets yet for some unknown reason he happens to have more knowledge about disease control than entire combined knowledge of all our UK experts. And Flecc knows even more than OG...
Only on a pedelec forum.Its actually quite funny.
Think I, ll phone Ineos and tell them Sir Ben knows nowt. I, m their man. I, ve sailed a foil board. It's easy. I bet they, d put phone down on me... Perhaps if I get OG or Flecc to phone for me. Honestly, I, m really good at sailing. I, ve read everything there is on Internet to read. I had years of practice one weekend.
 
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oldgroaner

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Chris Witty explained that weeks ago. And at time he explained very well why they had chosen path. Yes,it could increase chance of mutation but so does the higher infection rate associated with vaccinating slower. Its course of least risk.
No it isn't! the worry is that the new variant copes and defeats the Vaccine in it's weakened state between doses , and can over come the vaccine altogether
 
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oldgroaner

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Can't find video but it's explained in here.
The chances of mutation are much less risk than risk we, d be taking vaccinating slower.
They knew about mentioned risk straight away.It's not new,and it was answered in briefing at least 3 weeks ago,probably more.
Its quite obvious really, had it been a significant risk, they would not have extended delay.
You are jesting of course?
The Government that was desperate to get ahead in the virus race regardless of the consequences to other nations using an emergency measure would make a pragmatic decision while in a state of panic?
They did this as they couldn't get enough vaccine to hold some back for the second shot, and of course wanted to appear world beating on the numbers game as their reputation over the casualties should have brought the government down
 

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I, ll find it flecc. He said, and it's about 3 weeks ago, after been asked that very question,that yes it's a worry but a smaller worry than alternative.
He did NOT say there was a smaller risk of creating variants which is what I've been posting about. Once again, read what is posted, not what you imagine,

Whitty actually said the opposite in mentioning that by product of his strategy which he admitted was a worry, albeit one with smaller consequences in his opinion.

Yet again that is a gamble not based on any medical fact. There is no-one in this world who can predict when a variant will occur since they are random events, nor can anyone predict whan a truly lethal variant will occur.

All he can reliably say is that the odds of both are in his favour.
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oldgroaner

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And you do. Or, infact you are saying Chris Witty doesn't.
Yet again OG and Flecc not only professing to know more than I do, which to be honest wouldn't be difficult, they know more than Chris Witty and combined knowledge of Sage and JCVI. It is quite unbelievable.
Yep, like I know more about sailing than Ben Ainsley.
I have no idea who the fella is, and why should I?
Tell me why should I not regard myself the equal of any other human on the planet on the Wisdom stakes?
And frankly Flecc and Danidl constantly display it, rather than avoid thinking for themselves, which explains Brexit and the present government.
If Witty had wisdom he wouldn't have come out with some of the nonsense he has or been party to the actions that produced this disaster.
Especially when his misguided advice has been paraded in the press to set him up as a fall guy for Blond Wurzel Gummage's catastrophic action calls
 

oldgroaner

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We've had more than enough of people claiming they were draining swamps. (And failing in lots of ways.) Can we switch metaphor, please?
Ah but on here this is an alternative reality and we have folk who's speciality is
Swamping the Drains :D
 

Zlatan

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No it isn't! the worry is that the new variant copes and defeats the Vaccine in it's weakened state between doses , and can over come the vaccine altogether
I, ll get Chris' number for you OG. Give him a ring,or email.. I, ll vote for you on Sage.
You really are making this thread a joke. In your own ways you are no different to Chainring and Polly. It's just same.

You really do think you can advise Chris Witty.. Crazy.
Good luck OG. Barmy old bugger.
 

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There is a big difference, but they are not mutually incompatible.
Generally true, but never with the subject under discussion. No-one can ever predict when a mutation will occur, so the expression "very unlikely" as a measure of frequency or timing of the occurrence is nonsensical.
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Zlatan

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Ah but on here this is an alternative reality and we have folk who's speciality is
Swamping the Drains :D
It's you living in an odd world OG. Must be a sad place too, all these things conspiring against all your wishes. You have so much to be sad about.. I, m quite happy with the vaccine, extended delay, roll out, tories, Boris, Witty, Sage and JCVI... Infact think recently they have done bloody marvelous, but hey, who am I to burst your sadness. Stick with it OG.
 
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Zlatan

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Congratulations for unintentionally proving my point about the delay between jabs being a risk of this happening
But they didn't have delay in NY... Its happened anyway. Just as SA variant happened, just as UK variant did.
A variant could spring up anytime.Number of variants correlate to number of infections as well. Yes, there is a mechanism that could cause variant with delay but the risk is off set by reduction in infection and its severity. (severe cases can cause variants)
There isn't a risk free route OG. How many times...
 

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