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Jesus H Christ

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Is that why this statement was made

‘The NHS could vaccinate everybody in five days if it were better motivated’ Doctors are battling brilliantly but bureaucracy is letting them down, the Oxford professor Sir John Bell says

ITMA I did warn everyone Never ever trust a Bell
me included! :D
See what the cunning blighter did there?
"but bureaucracy is letting them down"
Since he is onto a nice litter earner he missed out the cogent word.....
but GOVERNMENT bureaucracy is letting them down

Definitely a true Clan Bell man, that, smart and bloody devious.:cool:
I can’t see how that could happen. Incidentally, Bell is a strong supporter of delaying the second vaccination dose.
 

oldgroaner

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Do you have one of these strange watches that the tech companies like Apple are touting now?

How long is 60 million sections?
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He must have bought if from the same shop as the one Eric Morecambe had
Ernie: "Nice new watch you have there! what time is it?"
Eric: "Half past September":D
 

oldgroaner

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Ohdear. The real lying has started. They can't find minutes of meetings between Salmond and Sturgeon.
Johnson must be very relieved that this latest smokescreen still has mileage to distract attention from our government's corruption and illegal acts
 
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Danidl

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I honestly think your concerns are over nothing. There is no doubt the delay was / is a partial step into the unknown. But I’m convinced that the risks and the benefits have been properly weighed up and the correct decisions made on this occasion. The U.K. has made enough mistakes so far during this crisis, we are overdue a correct decision and I think vaccination delivery is it, thankfully.
If you replace .." think " with " hope ".. in the first sentence we have a measure of agreement. You might be convinced, but I remain more skeptical, and I am not the onky one..and not only on this forum.
 

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If you replace .." think " with " hope ".. in the first sentence we have a measure of agreement. You might be convinced, but I remain more skeptical, and I am not the onky one..and not only on this forum.
You are fine then Danidl. Your country is I believe sticking to original regime.
Personally, I, m glad they (UK) have gone this route. We have 2 friends who live in Wexford, both 8 years older than us and both with pre existing heart problems. One is scheduled for first dose on April 15th,the other April 20th. By coincidence that is around time we will be having our 2nd.(April 12th will be 12 weeks)
Even if our first dose gave diminished protection at least we, ve had it. (Wife and I are 63/67,had first jabs about 4 weeks ago)
???
I, d take UK regime every time.
The way I see it we didn't get our second jab late, we got our first early. Glass half full.
 
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The following taken from todays Irish Times , puts a slightly different complexion on vaccine traffic...
The European Union exported more than 8 million Covid-19 vaccine doses to the United Kingdom during the month of February, according to export declaration figures that reveal the bloc has been a major source of the world’s supply even as its vaccination campaigns were hampered by delivery problems.

Britain’s speedier vaccination campaign was helped by receiving doses made in continental factories since it kicked off in December, including mRNA jabs and AstraZeneca vaccines made in the Netherlands and Germany that made up the bulk of its initial rollout. Meanwhile, the UK is not exporting vaccines, as it has reserved supplies made in local factories for its own rollout.

The United States, which is a major manufacturer, has banned exports of vaccines, including to its neighbours Canada and Mexico, leaving the EU pressed to deliver doses around the world. The US itself received 650,000 doses from the EU in February, the figures show.

Of the 25 million doses of vaccines exported from the EU to 31 countries in February, Britain took the lion’s share at more than 8 million, followed by 3 million that went to Canada, 2.5 million to Mexico, and 600,000 to Australia.

British prime minister Boris Johnson declined to share vaccines with Ireland, Taoiseach Micheál Martin said this week, as “his first priority is to vaccinate his people”. AstraZeneca has said that its contract privileges deliveries to the UK above agreements made with other customers, something the EU contests.

Media leaks
The figures were contained in internal documents from the European Commission, which were leaked to media amid divisions among officials over whether the information should be made public. Some view the exports as showing the bloc in a good light, but there are concerns it could increase political pressure on the EU’s vaccination effort at a time of widespread popular impatience at the speed of national rollouts.The revelation intensified calls for the bloc to impose an outright export ban on Covid-19 vaccines, though as pharmaceutical supply chains are highly integrated there are also concerns such a move could backfire by triggering retaliatory restrictions on components that come from elsewhere.

Currently, exports to wealthy countries without close ties with the EU must be declared and can be refused by national governments, though this was only used for the first time last week on a shipment from Italy destined for Australia.

Globally, vaccine deliveries are highly lopsided: just 10 countries have administered 75 per cent of the world’s supply, United Nations secretary general António Guterres said last month, while dozens of countries had not received any doses.

The US export ban is a factor in concerns over supplies of Johnson & Johnson vaccines to the EU. The administration of President Joe Biden announced plans for extra orders and sped up the national timetable for vaccination just as the company warned it was “under stress” to meet its goal of delivering 55 million doses to the EU by the end of June.

A European Commission spokesman said the executive was in talks with Washington on vaccine “co-operation”, including how to ease bottlenecks in vaccine components.

This week, president of the European Council Charles Michel wrote a blog in which he said he was “shocked” to hear accusations of vaccine nationalism against the EU at a time when the UK and US are not exporting vaccines.

“Most of the doses with which Israel embarked on its mass vaccination programme were sent from Belgium,” he wrote, adding that the UK and US “have imposed an outright ban” on vaccine exports. This is incorrect in Britain’s case, as while it is not exporting approved vaccines, it does not have a formal ban.

The claim sparked a furious war of words between Brussels and London. The British government summoned the EU ambassador to account for the remarks.

The EU ambassador was not available as he is currently based in Belgium (London refused to recognise his full diplomatic status, in a post-Brexit snub to the bloc).

The chargé d’affaires or chief of mission, Nicole Mannion, an Irish former Department of Foreign Affairs official, responded to the summons instead.
 

Zlatan

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The following taken from todays Irish Times , puts a slightly different complexion on vaccine traffic...
The European Union exported more than 8 million Covid-19 vaccine doses to the United Kingdom during the month of February, according to export declaration figures that reveal the bloc has been a major source of the world’s supply even as its vaccination campaigns were hampered by delivery problems.

Britain’s speedier vaccination campaign was helped by receiving doses made in continental factories since it kicked off in December, including mRNA jabs and AstraZeneca vaccines made in the Netherlands and Germany that made up the bulk of its initial rollout. Meanwhile, the UK is not exporting vaccines, as it has reserved supplies made in local factories for its own rollout.

The United States, which is a major manufacturer, has banned exports of vaccines, including to its neighbours Canada and Mexico, leaving the EU pressed to deliver doses around the world. The US itself received 650,000 doses from the EU in February, the figures show.

Of the 25 million doses of vaccines exported from the EU to 31 countries in February, Britain took the lion’s share at more than 8 million, followed by 3 million that went to Canada, 2.5 million to Mexico, and 600,000 to Australia.

British prime minister Boris Johnson declined to share vaccines with Ireland, Taoiseach Micheál Martin said this week, as “his first priority is to vaccinate his people”. AstraZeneca has said that its contract privileges deliveries to the UK above agreements made with other customers, something the EU contests.

Media leaks
The figures were contained in internal documents from the European Commission, which were leaked to media amid divisions among officials over whether the information should be made public. Some view the exports as showing the bloc in a good light, but there are concerns it could increase political pressure on the EU’s vaccination effort at a time of widespread popular impatience at the speed of national rollouts.The revelation intensified calls for the bloc to impose an outright export ban on Covid-19 vaccines, though as pharmaceutical supply chains are highly integrated there are also concerns such a move could backfire by triggering retaliatory restrictions on components that come from elsewhere.

Currently, exports to wealthy countries without close ties with the EU must be declared and can be refused by national governments, though this was only used for the first time last week on a shipment from Italy destined for Australia.

Globally, vaccine deliveries are highly lopsided: just 10 countries have administered 75 per cent of the world’s supply, United Nations secretary general António Guterres said last month, while dozens of countries had not received any doses.

The US export ban is a factor in concerns over supplies of Johnson & Johnson vaccines to the EU. The administration of President Joe Biden announced plans for extra orders and sped up the national timetable for vaccination just as the company warned it was “under stress” to meet its goal of delivering 55 million doses to the EU by the end of June.

A European Commission spokesman said the executive was in talks with Washington on vaccine “co-operation”, including how to ease bottlenecks in vaccine components.

This week, president of the European Council Charles Michel wrote a blog in which he said he was “shocked” to hear accusations of vaccine nationalism against the EU at a time when the UK and US are not exporting vaccines.

“Most of the doses with which Israel embarked on its mass vaccination programme were sent from Belgium,” he wrote, adding that the UK and US “have imposed an outright ban” on vaccine exports. This is incorrect in Britain’s case, as while it is not exporting approved vaccines, it does not have a formal ban.

The claim sparked a furious war of words between Brussels and London. The British government summoned the EU ambassador to account for the remarks.

The EU ambassador was not available as he is currently based in Belgium (London refused to recognise his full diplomatic status, in a post-Brexit snub to the bloc).

The chargé d’affaires or chief of mission, Nicole Mannion, an Irish former Department of Foreign Affairs official, responded to the summons instead.
Mmm. Perhaps.
Its actually a case of firms full filling orders to the people who placed them.
EU stepping in now is interfering with that process to their own ends.
EU were late out of blocks. They are trying to drag others back rather than run faster themselves.
 
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Jesus H Christ

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If you replace .." think " with " hope ".. in the first sentence we have a measure of agreement. You might be convinced, but I remain more skeptical, and I am not the onky one..and not only on this forum.
If you aren’t the onky one, who is? I was convinced that it was you.
 

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The claim sparked a furious war of words between Brussels and London. The British government summoned the EU ambassador to account for the remarks.
we should ban all imports/exports of vaccines until the politicians accept that cooperation is the only way forward.
 
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You are fine then Danidl. Your country is I believe sticking to original regime.
Personally, I, m glad they (UK) have gone this route. We have 2 friends who live in Wexford, both 8 years older than us and both with pre existing heart problems. One is scheduled for first dose on April 15th,the other April 20th. By coincidence that is around time we will be having our 2nd.(April 12th will be 12 weeks)
Even if our first dose gave diminished protection at least we, ve had it. (Wife and I are 63/67,had first jabs about 4 weeks ago)
???
I, d take UK regime every time.
The way I see it we didn't get our second jab late, we got our first early. Glass half full.
Have you actually got a date for the second jab? 9 weeks since the first and no word yet
 
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Sad situation in Denmark

Denmark suspends Oxford Covid vaccine after patient dies with blood clot

Officials say they have received reports of fatal blood clots, but it is not yet known whether there is a connection to the injection. They say they are ‘acting early’ to fully investigate the reports. The country’s health minister, Magnus Heunicke, tweeted: ‘The health authorities have, due to precautionary measures, suspended vaccination with AstraZeneca following a signal of a possible serious side effect in the form of fatal blood clots.
 
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Jesus H Christ

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Have you actually got a date for the second jab? 9 weeks since the first and no word yet
I get my first jab tomorrow, second already booked for 8 weeks later. I did the whole lot online Saturday morning. Very slick & efficient booking system. Absolutely faultless.

Get yourself online and give them some ****, you can even get the Internet on computers these days.
 
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The old Fascist styleslogans are being polished and paraded again.
This time it's
"Beacon of Hope"
Where the government takes the time to cover itself with glory, when the accolades should be going the the NHS and certainly not them, and all at our expense, in an attempt to smokescreen their presiding over what amounted to a cull of the elderly, vulnerable, plus tens of thousands of others.
With a no expense spared propaganda movie.
And it's worth it to them, as they expect forgiveness for Brexit disasters now and yet to come


It's what Banana Republic regimes do.
 
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I get my first jab tomorrow, second already booked for 8 weeks later. I did the whole lot online Saturday morning. Very slick & efficient booking system. Absolutely faultless.

Get yourself online and give them some ****, you can even get the Internet on computers these days.
Fascinating, What happened to twelve weeks then? and here we are, nine weeks gone and no word (remember we were told to wait to be advised)
So much for faultless
 
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Fascinating, What happened to twelve weeks then? and here we are, nine weeks gone and no word (remember we were told to wait to be advised)
So much for faultless
I can only speak from personal experience. I went online, discovered that I was eligible, booked the first jab. Simple. I was then asked if I wanted to book the second vaccination, which I did. Bingo, 8 weeks later. That’s pretty faultless.

I can one assume there is a variation between NHS trusts. Maybe the variation is caused by a disparity in age / vulnerability of the population between different areas.
 
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Fascinating, What happened to twelve weeks then? and here we are, nine weeks gone and no word (remember we were told to wait to be advised)
So much for faultless
Get online, or if that fails, the phone to your GP surgery.

Do something positive to help yourself instead of sitting on this thread tearing everything down. There is some good stuff happening out there.
 
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The old Fascist styleslogans are being polished and paraded again.
This time it's
"Beacon of Hope"
Where the government takes the time to cover itself with glory, when the accolades should be going the the NHS and certainly not them, and all at our expense, in an attempt to smokescreen their presiding over what amounted to a cull of the elderly, vulnerable, plus tens of thousands of others.
With a no expense spared propaganda movie.
And it's worth it to them, as they expect forgiveness for Brexit disasters now and yet to come


It's what Banana Republic regimes do.
They need to be hammered for this, it can only become a brilliant vaccine roll out when completed with BOTH doses.

Until then the single doses are only a temporary precaution to take pressure from the NHS.

The logistics of administering the second doses of several different vaccines to all one dose recipients in the required time frames will be very difficult and I'm expecting many slip ups. After all, they messed up the first dose for many as my own case showed, so it's only when they've shown they can successfully administer the second jabs on time that I'll accept it's a success.
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