Brexit, for once some facts.

sjpt

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Just to update.
They phoned 5.15 (close 6) Had jab 5.35., no problems. They were looking for folk to inject. Was AZ...Superbly organised. Was only there 15 mins, including 10 minute wait after jab. Great.
I hope your experience after the jab is more like mine (nothing significant) than my wife's (two days with bad headache and vomiting in bed). Still, she's fine now and thinks it was worth it.
 

oyster

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Good news... Rate must slow down as second jabs become a priority..
Rate of delivery of vaccine is reducing - not clear exactly when, nor for how much or how long. Apparently calling 65-69 is likely to happen very soon, but possibly the actual vaccinations will be done at a lower rate and take longer.

(Could be Wales-only, of course!)
 

flecc

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Rate of delivery of vaccine is reducing - not clear exactly when, nor for how much or how long. Apparently calling 65-69 is likely to happen very soon, but possibly the actual vaccinations will be done at a lower rate and take longer.

(Could be Wales-only, of course!)
Probably due to reducing supplies, partly due to changes they warned of to end with higher production and the wider number of countries Pfizer and AZ are delivering to now.
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oyster

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Suggesting it's more to do with organisation than supply issues in this. . There was mention of SA selling their stock of AZ??? Bloke in Mandella house made an offer.??!!
That was quite interesting. I certainly see the level of acceptance as being incredibly important. But I intensely dislike the "we might have to change priorities" line. Are JCVI right? Or not?

If they are right, don't change it. If they are wrong, it needs to be sorted NOW!

When even my key-worker mother started to question the vaccine, I had to act
Only 55% of people in Asian communities say they will take the jab – I find this incredibly upsetting

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2021/feb/12/key-worker-mother-questioned-vaccine-i-had-to-act-romesh-ranganathan
 

Zlatan

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That was quite interesting. I certainly see the level of acceptance as being incredibly important. But I intensely dislike the "we might have to change priorities" line. Are JCVI right? Or not?

If they are right, don't change it. If they are wrong, it needs to be sorted NOW!

When even my key-worker mother started to question the vaccine, I had to act
Only 55% of people in Asian communities say they will take the jab – I find this incredibly upsetting

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2021/feb/12/key-worker-mother-questioned-vaccine-i-had-to-act-romesh-ranganathan
The report from Romesh is great. He is a very talented bloke, his programmes are fantastic. Seems to have a natural affinity with people.
One of his comments on his trip to Zimbabwe was especially relevant. (his partner for show, a black lady was discussing (arguing) with a white park guide over Rhodesia.) . Romesh suggested he wouldn't take part in any political discussion (argument) as nobody ever changed their stance and folk just get annoyed with each other as each in their own way is right. Made me think about this thread. Has anybody actually been encouraged to modify their stance because of it? I somehow doubt it.??! Airing grievences probably healthy tho I suppose.,??
Rather worrying.
 
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jonathan.agnew

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That was quite interesting. I certainly see the level of acceptance as being incredibly important. But I intensely dislike the "we might have to change priorities" line. Are JCVI right? Or not?

If they are right, don't change it. If they are wrong, it needs to be sorted NOW!

When even my key-worker mother started to question the vaccine, I had to act
Only 55% of people in Asian communities say they will take the jab – I find this incredibly upsetting

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2021/feb/12/key-worker-mother-questioned-vaccine-i-had-to-act-romesh-ranganathan
I find it a concern too. Pockets of lack of immunity in the community will make the virus mutate and escape vaccines. Probably sooner than we think. But then I think about the mental capacity act (2005) and the oddly liberating principle of allowing others to decline treatment, embrace death (perhaps even if it makes the rest of us contemplate that too). Its a bit of a bleak realisation for a saturday morning though.
 

oyster

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oyster

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45mph wind, snow falling, white on ground.

Think I'll go and make another cup of coffee...

(Down here, snow sufficient to lie is relatively rare. Something like one year in four, at most.)
 

flecc

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But I intensely dislike the "we might have to change priorities" line. Are JCVI right? Or not?

If they are right, don't change it. If they are wrong, it needs to be sorted NOW!
I don't think there is any right in this subject.

Take those Oriental countries who are doing the opposite to us and vaccinating the young 18 to 59 first, and the fact that many of our experts say that has considerable merit.

It does have, the argument being that it is the very active, widely socialising and often regulation breaking young who are spreading the disease. While the old, who are often living alone in isolation, not very active, socialising very little and tending to be more regulation abiding who are very little risk to anyone and with low risk of catching it.

That's a strong argument.
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oyster

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I don't think there is any right in this subject.

Take the Oriental countries who are doing the opposite to us and vaccinating the young 18 to 59 first, and the fact that many of our experts say that has considerable merit.

It does have, the argument being that it is the very active, widely socialising and often regulation breaking young who are spreading the disease. While the old, who are often living alone in isolation, not very active, socialising very little and tending to be more regulation abiding who are very little risk to anyone and with low risk of catching it.

That's a strong argument.
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So those who have little enough social interaction are condemned to even less?

My point about right or wrong was really meant to say that there is a JCVI. They have been tasked with making the decisions (or at least, clear and strong recommendations). They should be continually reviewing evidence and, as necessary, changing their advice.

If they are not the pre-eminent and appropriate body we have been told they are, what are they? Is it yet another not fit for purpose group?
 

flecc

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So those who have little enough social interaction are condemned to even less?
In a pandemic that isn't a valid consideration. Isolation always means loss of social interaction and it's arguable that those acclimatised to it are least affected.

And in these internet days face to face interaction is even less important. I live alone so isolation is the norm for me but I'm unaffected. That's because as well as the electronic interaction on this forum, there's the same with the committee of the local organisation I'm on. A dozen of us, we know each other well and normally met every other month plus at events and other unplanned meetings at our point of common interest.

The last time we met physically was a late November 2019 meeting but Covid prevented that happening from then on, but we've still interacted as much as ever. Only this morning two of us completed an email discussion on a particular subject, we didn't need to see each other, we've known each other as friends and volunteering colleagues for years.
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Danidl

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Well after yesterday's meeting in London between Grove and the EU ..the results are extremely predictable.
1. NI s DUP says NI Protocol is unworkable.
2. Grove wants extension until 2023,.
3. EU says no extensions formal or informal until you actually do what you signed up for.
4. Robinson..the previous DUP leader ,and favoured heir by Ian Paisley , but now ousted, says DUP you have two choices , ..get out of Government and oppose NI Protocol or stay in Government and do your duty and implement it.
5. Nett result , Hobnobs still not getting into NI shelves, because UK distributors did not read the manual. And it gets worse in April when the period of grace expires.
 

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