Brexit, for once some facts.

[oyster]

I see China is changing some details of their approach:

China starts using anal swabs to test 'high-risk' people for Covid

Method can increase detection rate among infected people, senior Beijing doctor tells state TV
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/27/china-starts-using-anal-swabs-test-covid-high-infection-areas

Can't help thinking that if the UK government started doing this, they'd just be papering over the cracks.

 

[Woosh]

Crisis? What crisis?

what if you need the hospital? it's full at the moment.

 

[oyster]

Johnson hopes schools in England will re-open from 8th March.

 

[flecc]

where did you see that? The 'prime boost' system needs the second jab. The first jab primes the immune system, the second jab brings the immune response to protective level.

That was ages ago and widely mentioned. Using the Pfizer as a single dose gave 70 to 90% protection according to them. Applying it in two half doses brought 52% protection from the first jab, bringing that up to 95% following the second dose at 21 days later.

I'm surprised you didn't see that at the time.

Given the vagaries of individual reactions and unreliability of these figures, my preference is the simplicity of single doses from any of the many vaccines as they appear. I'm sure that would end up just as quick or even quicker to cover the whole population and slash the hospitalisation rate.
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[oyster]

I suspect people on here are capable of saying it without letting it change their behaviour. That is not the case with most of nation. Many will say"well he drove all over, why shouldn't I... "
Its not just Cummings its our blame culture.
" not my fault" That was endemic years before covid.
That's why I don't think Campbell is helping. Give folk a get out and they will snatch it.

When Cummings did that, I found it very difficult to continue upholding the rules where they made little to no sense. For example, a six or so mile drive to see the sea and get a breath of air directly from over the ocean. Not mingling with anyone. Quite possibly not even getting out of the car! Effectively zero additional risk to or from others.

Until then, I had been willing to go along with restrictions as a matter of doing nothing that was questionable in terms of letter or spirit of the rules and laws.

 

[flecc]

what if you need the hospital? it's full at the moment.

Tough, we know our hospital bed to population ratio is one of the most inadequate in the western world so it's what we are stuck with.

And will remain while we keep returning the Tories to power.
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[Woosh]

That was ages ago and widely mentioned. Using the Pfizer as a single dose gave 70 to 90% protection according to them. Applying it in two half doses brought 52% protection from the first jab, bringing that up to 95% following the second dose at 21 days later.

I'm surprised you didn't see that at the time.

Given the vagaries of individual reactions and unreliability of these figures, my preference is the simplicity of single doses from any of the many vaccines as they appear. I'm sure that would end up just as quick or even quicker to cover the whole population and slash the hospitalisation rate.
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their press release stated 'in each case measured from 7 days after the second dose.'. 162 cases from the placebo group, 8 cases from the vaccinated group.
Only 7 days. Give it more time for a more reliable result.
https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-conclude-phase-3-study-covid-19-vaccine
The Israeli reports seem more credible to me.

 

[oyster]

We might have our own views on the 737 Max. But the idea that UK has to certify separately seems a bit of a bad joke. What would be the impact if UK doesn't certify? I imagine it will not be allowed to land/take-off in the UK. But it won't stop overflying - will it? It will make scheduling flights even more complex. And it won't enhance the safety of UK passengers who have to transfer onto 737 Max flights abroad.

Boeing 737 Max cleared to fly again by EU regulator
The UK’s Civil Aviation Authority will certify the plane separately

Can you imagine if every aircraft had to be separately certified in each and every country? EU certification must be massively less costly than 27 countries doing so individually.

 

[flecc]

Can you imagine if every aircraft had to be separately certified in each and every country? EU certification must be massively less costly than 27 countries doing so individually.

This has always been the case, each country having a certifying authority. Though the EU has EASA to do that, each EU country also has its own NAA.

Information Link

If the EU ever achieved its ambition to be a single country of Europe, EASA would become their NAA.
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[Zlatan]

We, ve had a relative die this morning.
She was 97, has had cancer for last 6 years and various other issues.
Also had an uncle die about 4 weeks ago. He was 89.He,d had prostate cancer for at least 10 years which had spread quite widely 6 months ago.
Both gone down as Covid.. (Relatives actually complained to doctor on both occasions, saying that although both had had positive tests (days before dying) neither had shown significant covid symptoms.(none at all whilst home)
???
Doctor argued he had to list Covid on death certificate in both cases.???
I, m not saying he shouldn't or that Covid hadn't contributed, which it probably had, but we must be able to differentiate this type of incident to a 50 year old fit person, perhaps with high blood pressure or similar, going on same list. It doesn't make sense.

 

[Jesus H Christ]

We might have our own views on the 737 Max. But the idea that UK has to certify separately seems a bit of a bad joke. What would be the impact if UK doesn't certify? I imagine it will not be allowed to land/take-off in the UK. But it won't stop overflying - will it? It will make scheduling flights even more complex. And it won't enhance the safety of UK passengers who have to transfer onto 737 Max flights abroad.

Boeing 737 Max cleared to fly again by EU regulator
The UK’s Civil Aviation Authority will certify the plane separately

Can you imagine if every aircraft had to be separately certified in each and every country? EU certification must be massively less costly than 27 countries doing so individually.

I think the CAA will clear it, so shouldn’t be an issue. If an aircraft isn’t certified for use in a particular country, that’s it, it can’t fly in its airspace.

I’d trust the UKs CAA over EASA any day of the week. EASA is basically the CAA meddled and interfered with by Europe to make it more clumsy, bureaucratic and less efficient. EASA is a nightmare.

 

[flecc]

Well it seems my cage rattling about my virus situation has had an effect, indeed a multiple one.

Several minutes ago I had a call from my surgery to give me a first thing Friday appointment at the health centre for a vaccine jab. They don't know what sort so I don't know yet if it's shipped in from elsewhere Pfizer or Astra-Zeneca. I'll let you know Friday if I survive.

While on the phone with them the letter box rattled as mail arrived:

A letter from the NHS to say that as one of their highest priority group I can now book the vaccine online, giving me the website to do that and if I'm not online, a special telephone number to do that. ( Shall I be cheeky and book a jab for 21 days later to serve as my second dose? That would be fun ! )

And a second letter from the MHRA saying that as I've now been chosen for the jab, could I please take part in their national program monitoring vaccine safety.

Given this sudden rush of attention by phone and mail, I'm now expecting a personal visit from Boris Johnson to tell me how sorry he is and how hard he's been trying. I won't argue with that since I find him very trying.
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[Zlatan]

Well it seems my cage rattling about my virus situation has had an effect, indeed a multiple one.

Several minutes ago I had a call from my surgery to give me a first thing Friday appointment at the health centre for a vaccine jab. They don't know what sort so I don't know yet if it's shipped in from elsewhere Pfizer or Astra-Zeneca. I'll let you know Friday if I survive.

While on the phone with them the letter box rattled as mail arrived:

A letter from the NHS to say that as one of their highest priority group I can now book the vaccine online, giving me the website to do that and if I'm not online, a special telephone number to do that. ( Shall I be cheeky and book a jab for 21 days later to serve as my second dose? That would be fun ! )

And a second letter from the MHRA saying that as I've now been chosen for the jab, could I please take part in their national program monitoring vaccine safety.

Given this sudden rush of attention by phone and mail, I'm now expecting a personal visit from Boris Johnson to tell me how sorry he is and how hard he's been trying. I won't argue with that since I find him very trying.
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Get his autograph for OG...

 

[oldgroaner]

I’m just going on what the global community of respiratory virus experts have concluded based on their experience of Coronaviruses and the evidence they are seeing.

There was a time when a Global community of experts agreed the Earth was the centre of the Universe

 

[oldgroaner]

Well it seems my cage rattling about my virus situation has had an effect, indeed a multiple one.

Several minutes ago I had a call from my surgery to give me a first thing Friday appointment at the health centre for a vaccine jab. They don't know what sort so I don't know yet if it's shipped in from elsewhere Pfizer or Astra-Zeneca. I'll let you know Friday if I survive.

While on the phone with them the letter box rattled as mail arrived:

A letter from the NHS to say that as one of their highest priority group I can now book the vaccine online, giving me the website to do that and if I'm not online, a special telephone number to do that. ( Shall I be cheeky and book a jab for 21 days later to serve as my second dose? That would be fun ! )

And a second letter from the MHRA saying that as I've now been chosen for the jab, could I please take part in their national program monitoring vaccine safety.

Given this sudden rush of attention by phone and mail, I'm now expecting a personal visit from Boris Johnson to tell me how sorry he is and how hard he's been trying. I won't argue with that since I find him very trying.
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Remember we have fans in Menworth Hill Flecc

" could I please take part in their national program monitoring vaccine safety.
Send them an Email each day
I ain't dead yet.
They can work the rest out for themselves (eventually)

 

[flecc]

The problem we face is that our population generally consists of weak willed idiots. Many will dismiss the 100000 deaths as people dying WITH Covid as opposed to OF Covid.

The government are directly responsible for many of the 100000 deaths, but the U.K. population has to shoulder a good chunk of the responsibility too. Their weakness and stupidity are contributory factors.

I don't think we should punish the Covid deniers though, best reward their courage in standing up for their beliefs.

Say a month long holiday in a large Brazilian city, getting them there by hedge hopping in Boeing 737 Max 8s with lots of take offs and landings.
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[oldgroaner]

No, maybe you don't.

Wrong answer as usual

 

[flecc]

There was a time when a Global community of experts agreed the Earth was the centre of the Universe

When all the time it was Britain of course. Even Boris Johnson knows that.
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[oldgroaner]

When all the time it was Britain of course. Even Boris Johnson knows that.
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Along with the 52% conned at the referendum?

 

[Zlatan]

Along with the 52% conned at the referendum?

You mean the 52% that ran away from Labour...