Brexit, for once some facts.

[Zlatan]

you could say the same about BJ.
Back in March, Prof Neil Ferguson's team at UCL presented the model of Covid spreading and pointed out the consequences for the NHS. His graphs are well known.
BJ delayed the lockdown about 10 days, killing probably thousands. Then when the new variant got identified in October, he was warned again, cancel Christmas or see the NHS going into overload.
Guess what: today, new cases and new Covid hospital admissions hit new records. All electives are cancelled.
We are heading for the worst crisis handling in Europe.

Yep, I agree with you but to blame BJ is wrong. He, s had elements of his own party throughout this resisting every action. (IDS for starters) plus a labour party simply wanting to make petty political points wherever possible and a population generally wanting to avoid any sensible actions when ever possible.
Thinking Boris starting lockdown earlier or putting London into Tier 4 earlier would have altered things is not really seeing nature of our predicament.
We, ve got a society refusing to take individual responsibility, using name of confusion to actually just carry on as they see fit. We, ve got a media trying to score points against government at every opportunity and social media just adding to fire by helping to promote utter rubbish.
Then a bunch of Tory MPs utterly devoid of any morals profiteering in the shambles.
And a none existent real alternative.
Boris to be fair is actually best of a bad bunch. You really think Starmer could have done any better? Just thank your lucky stars it is Boris in no 10 and not IDS.. Those 500,000 deaths Ferguson predicted, whilst in bed with another man's wife, would have been reality. As it is (at moment) we are running at 7% more deaths than average (over past 10 years) for this time of year.
Yes, bad, and it could get worse but could have been far worse. To go back and improve things a damn site more than Boris would need to be changed,infact with alternatives we have I think I, d keep him.
And, OG, your poor attitude is nothing to do with opinions about Boris. It's your self righteous ego thinking you can tell others they don't understand. I understand our situation perfectly well thank you.

 

[oldgroaner]

I have read the offending section and other sections . on one level it is still OK ,in that it it is using these as a examples and does link to other software. But on every other level it is utterly absurd. Putting entire lists of crimes in numerical format or data structure formats in a treaty is naff beyond belief .. It looks as if someone got to the sherry early. . a single sentence covers this ... "Data will be structured in mutually agreed format."

But how else could they Pad out the agreement ? It's all a remainer plot because Boris said there were only 500 pages
cue someone to say "The French slipped them in"

 

[Danidl]

you could say the same about BJ.
Back in March, Prof Neil Ferguson's team at UCL presented the model of Covid spreading and pointed out the consequences for the NHS. His graphs are well known.
BJ delayed the lockdown about 10 days, killing probably thousands. Then when the new variant got identified in October, he was warned again, cancel Christmas or see the NHS going into overload.
Guess what: today, new cases and new Covid hospital admissions hit new records. All electives are cancelled.
We are heading for the worst crisis handling in Europe.

I am truly sorry to hear that . whatever the excuses for March, they ran a bit thin by August. i was horrified by the notion of giving people vouchers to spend on accommodation and touring

 

[oldgroaner]

Yep, I agree with you but to blame BJ is wrong. He, s had elements of his own party throughout this resisting every action. (IDS for starters) plus a labour party simply wanting to make petty political points wherever possible and a population generally wanting to avoid any sensible actions when ever possible.
Thinking Boris starting lockdown earlier or putting London into Tier 4 earlier would have altered things is not really seeing nature of our predicament.
We, ve got a society refusing to take individual responsibility, using name of confusion to actually just carry on as they see fit. We, ve got a media trying to score points against government at every opportunity and social media just adding to fire by helping to promote utter rubbish.
Then a bunch of Tory MPs utterly devoid of any morals profiteering in the shambles.
And a none existent real alternative.
Boris to be fair is actually best of a bad bunch. You really think Starmer could have done any better? Just thank your lucky stars it is Boris in no 10 and not IDS.. Those 500,000 deaths Ferguson predicted, whilst in bed with another man's wife, would have been reality. As it is (at moment) we are running at 7% more deaths than average (over past 10 years) for this time of year.
Yes, bad, and it could get worse but could have been far worse. To go back and improve things a damn site more than Boris would need to be changed,infact with alternatives we have I think I, d keep him.
And, OG, your poor attitude is nothing to do with opinions about Boris. It's your self righteous ego thinking you can tell others they don't understand. I understand our situation perfectly well thank you.

"And, OG, your poor attitude is nothing to do with opinions about Boris. It's your self righteous ego thinking you can tell others they don't understand. I understand our situation perfectly well thank you. "
Telling people the truth even when they are "thick as mince" is not being self righteous and being an apologist for the man who has caused so much suffering through his vacillation and downright stupid decisions does not reflect well on the person who takes that view .
Johnson is a malignant menace to society.
Despite you claiming to "understand our situation perfectly" your own inflated ego is giving you a completed screwed up take on the reality of the situation.
You confuse cause with effect every time

 

[Zlatan]

"And, OG, your poor attitude is nothing to do with opinions about Boris. It's your self righteous ego thinking you can tell others they don't understand. I understand our situation perfectly well thank you. "
Telling people the truth even when they are "thick as mince" is not being self righteous and being an apologist for the man who has caused so much suffering through his vacillation and downright stupid decisions does not reflect well on the person who takes that view .
Johnson is a malignant menace to society.
Despite you claiming to "understand our situation perfectly" your own inflated ego is giving you a completed screwed up take on the reality of the situation.
You confuse cause with effect every time

Mmmm, So now I, m as thick as mince and don't understand. You should be a diplomat.
Amazing how all the incredibly gifted, intelligent people are posting on un read websites, just like all the football experts were jumping up and down, swearing on terraces, whilst the ones who know nowt are in the dug out... Always the same.
Perhaps you could enlighten my substandard IQ with your breakdown of how a country can defeat Covid19.. Chris Witty and Patrick Valence along with every other EU leader in entire world would love to know OG.
Coming back on here proves my poor mental capabilities.,!!

 

[oyster]

Yep, I agree with you but to blame BJ is wrong. He, s had elements of his own party throughout this resisting every action. (IDS for starters) plus a labour party simply wanting to make petty political points wherever possible and a population generally wanting to avoid any sensible actions when ever possible.
Thinking Boris starting lockdown earlier or putting London into Tier 4 earlier would have altered things is not really seeing nature of our predicament.
We, ve got a society refusing to take individual responsibility, using name of confusion to actually just carry on as they see fit. We, ve got a media trying to score points against government at every opportunity and social media just adding to fire by helping to promote utter rubbish.
Then a bunch of Tory MPs utterly devoid of any morals profiteering in the shambles.
And a none existent real alternative.
Boris to be fair is actually best of a bad bunch. You really think Starmer could have done any better? Just thank your lucky stars it is Boris in no 10 and not IDS.. Those 500,000 deaths Ferguson predicted, whilst in bed with another man's wife, would have been reality. As it is (at moment) we are running at 7% more deaths than average (over past 10 years) for this time of year.
Yes, bad, and it could get worse but could have been far worse. To go back and improve things a damn site more than Boris would need to be changed,infact with alternatives we have I think I, d keep him.
And, OG, your poor attitude is nothing to do with opinions about Boris. It's your self righteous ego thinking you can tell others they don't understand. I understand our situation perfectly well thank you.

PM or mouse?

 

[Danidl]

Yep, I agree with you but to blame BJ is wrong. He, s had elements of his own party throughout this resisting every action. (IDS for starters) plus a labour party simply wanting to make petty political points wherever possible and a population generally wanting to avoid any sensible actions when ever possible.
Thinking Boris starting lockdown earlier or putting London into Tier 4 earlier would have altered things is not really seeing nature of our predicament.
We, ve got a society refusing to take individual responsibility, using name of confusion to actually just carry on as they see fit. We, ve got a media trying to score points against government at every opportunity and social media just adding to fire by helping to promote utter rubbish.
Then a bunch of Tory MPs utterly devoid of any morals profiteering in the shambles.
And a none existent real alternative.
Boris to be fair is actually best of a bad bunch. You really think Starmer could have done any better? Just thank your lucky stars it is Boris in no 10 and not IDS.. Those 500,000 deaths Ferguson predicted, whilst in bed with another man's wife, would have been reality. As it is (at moment) we are running at 7% more deaths than average (over past 10 years) for this time of year.
Yes, bad, and it could get worse but could have been far worse. To go back and improve things a damn site more than Boris would need to be changed,infact with alternatives we have I think I, d keep him.
And, OG, your poor attitude is nothing to do with opinions about Boris. It's your self righteous ego thinking you can tell others they don't understand. I understand our situation perfectly well thank you.

I have no or very little interest in discussing the personalities of UK politicians . However I possibly have more faith in the good sense of the British people than you have. I believe had they been leveled with early on and given clear guidance, they would have behaved ok. When you treat people like mushrooms, they behave badly... I heard about the Herd Immunity concept , while in Belfast in March , and I told the guy in the shop, it was bonkers Everything anyone had ever known about infectiousness diseases was against it. Now I gave up on Biology after one year year in University, and even I knew that.

 

[oyster]

Just hit the buffers re brexit and medicine.

Someone needed information about a medicine - one which was approved by the EMA for use across the EU.

The EMA website is plastered with:

The United Kingdom (UK) withdrew from the European Union (EU) on 31 January 2020 and is no longer an EU Member State. EMA is in the process of making appropriate changes to this website. If the site still contains content that does not yet reflect the withdrawal of the UK from the EU, this is unintentional and will be addressed.

But the product is not accessible on the MHRA website.

I can access the detailed information on the EMA website. But I cannot find Marketing Authorisation information for the UK.

 

[RossG]

This sort of thing?

During the years of the Second World War, there was a marked increase in crime. This was due to a combination of different factors. Some were opportunistic crimes, in which not only criminals but also members of the public took advantage of the chaos during air raids and blackouts.

There also was an increase in gang activity linked to the black market. And there were new crimes which were the results of war restrictions such as rationing and the criminalization of previously legal activities.

https://www.warhistoryonline.com/instant-articles/crime-on-the-home-front.html

To me, it looks like there are plenty out there exploiting the situation to their own advantage. All too often, various forms of crony.

No I'm talking about the sort of camaraderie that existed between neighbours for example. Someone's house got bombed and the whole street helped out because they knew it could be them next time, with covid no one cares about anyone else probably because they don't care about themselves either.
I went out last night to dump the daily rubbish in the bins and saw a packed solid car park, it's usually more full at weekends with family members visiting but this time it was chocka. So many vehicles in fact they were parking outside the gated entrance on the grass verges, I could hear parties in full swing so much for social distancing.
Not a cat in hell's chance of the law hammering on any doors round here they wouldn't know how to get in it's so secure.

 

[oldgroaner]

Mmmm, So now I, m as thick as mince and don't understand. You should be a diplomat.
Amazing how all the incredibly gifted, intelligent people are posting on un read websites, just like all the football experts were jumping up and down, swearing on terraces, whilst the ones who know nowt are in the dug out... Always the same.
Perhaps you could enlighten my substandard IQ with your breakdown of how a country can defeat Covid19.. Chris Witty and Patrick Valence along with every other EU leader in entire world would love to know OG.
Coming back on here proves my poor mental capabilities.,!!

Too late now to take the right course thanks to Boris isn't it?
His defending the actions of his idiot father and Cummings put paid to public support,, and that's on top of the late start to the first lockdown , the stupid "Eat out to help out" campaign and the debacle over Christmas
And now where is the mobilisation of resources for the mass vaccination program and lockdown over New Year?
That should have been already announced.
Funny that Japan and New Zealand seem to have done an immensely better job.
Yet here you are defending a man who couldn't have made worse decisions if he tried, and why are you doing that?

 

[Zlatan]

No I'm talking about the sort of camaraderie that existed between neighbours for example. Someone's house got bombed and the whole street helped out because they knew it could be them next time, with covid no one cares about anyone else probably because they don't care about themselves either.
I went out last night to dump the daily rubbish in the bins and saw a packed solid car park, it's usually more full at weekends with family members visiting but this time it was chocka. So many vehicles in fact they were parking outside the gated entrance on the grass verges, I could hear parties in full swing so much for social distancing.
Not a cat in hell's chance of the law hammering on any doors round here they wouldn't know how to get in it's so secure.

I had to drive past Meadow Hall on boxing day. It was absolutely packed. There is no way on earth that many packed in could social distance, apparently it was same story at most commercial markets... Leeds especially bad. All these folk Danidl talks about being sensible getting their Christmas bargains... Meanwhile not 3 miles from Mead owhall A & E, IC and many wards on brink of collapse.
They really need a rule???
Wonder how many on here thought it imperative to get to sales. I didn't.

 

[oldgroaner]

PM or mouse?

Someone with too many moneyed owners is the answer
" a peerage for a small fee Johnson"

 

[oldgroaner]

I had to drive past Meadow Hall on boxing day. It was absolutely packed. There is no way on earth that many packed in could social distance, apparently it was same story at most commercial markets... Leeds especially bad. All these folk Danidl talks about being sensible getting their Christmas bargains... Meanwhile not 3 miles from Mead owhall A & E, IC and many wards on brink of collapse.
They really need a rule???
Wonder how many on here thought it imperative to get to sales. I didn't.

And very wise, too good for you

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

I have no or very little interest in discussing the personalities of UK politicians . However I possibly have more faith in the good sense of the British people than you have.

You‘ve not seen the British tourists holding mass gatherings on Australian beeches then? Our population has no mettle, no resolve to dig in and get the job done, especially the young. That’s why we have made degrees nothing more than attendance certificates at all but the few proper universities. They don’t have the staying power to study for a real degree, they’d give up or fail inside 3 months, just like they have done with coronavirus.

 

[Zlatan]

Too late now to take the right course thanks to Boris isn't it?
His defending the actions of his idiot father and Cummings put paid to public support,, and that's on top of the late start to the first lockdown , the stupid "Eat out to help out" campaign and the debacle over Christmas
And now where is the mobilisation of resources for the mass vaccination program and lockdown over New Year?
That should have been already announced.
Funny that Japan and New Zealand seem to have done an immensely better job.
Yet here you are defending a man who couldn't have made worse decisions if he tried, and why are you doing that?

Because he makes the decisions forced on him by party, the house, stupid people, society and Sage. He has to get everything through parliament and past idiots like IDS and some days Starmer.
His own dad said he, d be ignoring lockdown. Get out, look around OG. There are masses of folk doing as they see fit. How on earth is any of that his fault? Besides, exactly who is there to replace him?
Come on OG, folk being phoned up, with family told to isolate and still both sending kids into school and mum going in classroom. And it's happened everywhere. Test and Trace hasn't failed because they haven't been contacting people, it's failed because folk ignore them. When asked about it, "oh, I was confused, the instructions aren't clear from our government".
Too right, not clear, Chinese used batons to get message over.

 

[oldgroaner]

Because he makes the decisions forced on him by party, the house, stupid people, society and Sage. He has to get everything through parliament and past idiots like IDS and some days Starmer.
His own dad said he, d be ignoring lockdown. Get out, look around OG. There are masses of folk doing as they see fit. How on earth is any of that his fault? Besides, exactly who is there to replace him?

Again confusing cause with effect, there isn't any way to get the message of responsibility for setting events in motion that spin out of control through to you is there?
Are people in New Zealand doing all these stupid things?
No, because prompt and efficient government action prevented the situation that people felt compelled to act stupidly.
What you and BS are saying is in fact agreeing with my points that there are in fact a lot of stupid people in this country, that voted for the Conservatives and indeed Brexit without due diligence to the characters of the politicians they were supporting
Who is there to replace him? are you saying that out of 65 million he is the best choice? then we are truly doomed
Give the job to Larry the Cat

 

[oyster]

No I'm talking about the sort of camaraderie that existed between neighbours for example.

Again, this might well have been widespread behaviour. But just the other day I heard about someone who was bombed out and ended up in hospital - and everything was looted. Bar one solitary item which was somehow retrieved.

I think we tend to put on our rose-tints...

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

Again, this might well have been widespread behaviour. But just the other day I heard about someone who was bombed out and ended up in hospital - and everything was looted. Bar one solitary item which was somehow retrieved.

I think we tend to put on our rose-tints...

What you describe is humanity. That’s what humans do, the ancient instinct to survive and prosper at any cost kicks in and some can’t resist the feeling, it overwhelms them. It’s always existed and it always will.

 

[Zlatan]

FTSE 100 and 250 made biggest gains since last Feb recently.. Is that Brexit deal or anticipation of Astra/Zeneca Mhra decision...
Its amazed me throughout this episode FTSE has stayed quite strong??? 6600 today???
World travel, airlines, hospitality and plenty more absolutely on their knees but markets all reasonably OK...??

 

[oyster]

FTSE 100 and 250 made biggest gains since last Feb recently.. Is that Brexit deal or anticipation of Astra/Zeneca Mhra decision...
Its amazed me throughout this episode FTSE has stayed quite strong??? 6600 today???
World travel, airlines, hospitality and plenty more absolutely on their knees but markets all reasonably OK...??

Lack of alternatives kicks in. Would you rather trust your money in a bank?