Brexit, for once some facts.

[Kudoscycles]

Dave
Afraid you are the one talking rubbish.
You have absolutely no idea what future developments in eu/ eurozone will take. Nearly all heads of eurozone states have expressed desires of all members joining eurozone. Read Andrew Lilico and have a look at fiscal transfer capability within EU zone. Yes under current problems little mention of us joining zone has been mentioned, keeping us in EU is a priority for them. It will become an issue , guaranteed , if we stay in. It almost has to.
In 10 years, 20 years ? It has to become an issue if you look at mechanism within uk and eu for fiscal transfers.

As flecc has identified you really should read our postings more carefully...I said that I cannot currently find any reference to us joining the euro,I made no comment about what form the euro may take,you seem in agreement with that.....quote'little mention of us joining zone has been mentioned',so why am I talking rubbish?
However,my friend,it pays to have a good memory when making postings....your posting yesterday @3.57 pm....quote 'if euro remains around 2020'we will adopt the Euro',you described that as a statement of fact???
Today,you stated,quote ' if we stay in the Eurozone our entry will become an issue,in 10 years,in 20 years' .....was that fact of fiction???
What is it...4 years,10 years or 20 years?
Don't worry you are in good company at the moment,the May/Davis/Fox club cannot make up their minds either,but their indecisiveness is a bit more critical for us all.
Happy New Year
KudosDave

 

[Zlatan]

As flecc has identified you really should read our postings more carefully...I said that I cannot currently find any reference to us joining the euro,I made no comment about what form the euro may take,you seem in agreement with that.....quote'little mention of us joining zone has been mentioned',so why am I talking rubbish?
However,my friend,it pays to have a good memory when making postings....your posting yesterday @3.57 pm....quote 'if euro remains around 2020'we will adopt the Euro',you described that as a statement of fact???
Today,you stated,quote ' if we stay in the Eurozone our entry will become an issue,in 10 years,in 20 years' .....was that fact of fiction???
What is it...4 years,10 years or 20 years?
Don't worry you are in good company at the moment,the May/Davis/Fox club cannot make up their minds either,but their indecisiveness is a bit more critical for us all.
Happy New Year
KudosDave

So because you can not find referennce to joining zone currently I am talking rubbish...???
I don't presume to know date we might join zone which is blatantly obvious because we may not even be in EU ...The reference to 2020 was quoting Telegraph article...the 10 or 20 years was hyperhetical , as you are patently aware.
Fact is nobody knows what eu will look like in 10 or 20 years...
As for stating opinions as facts...read your own posts Dave...
Merry Christmas.

 

[oldtom]

All we need is decent leadership otherwise we're doomed.

.....said Private Frazer!

Tom

 

[Kudoscycles]

So because you can not find referennce to joining zone currently I am talking rubbish...???
I don't presume to know date we might join zone which is blatantly obvious because we may not even be in EU ...The reference to 2020 was quoting Telegraph article...the 10 or 20 years was hyperhetical , as you are patently aware.
Fact is nobody knows what eu will look like in 10 or 20 years...
As for stating opinions as facts...read your own posts Dave...
Merry Christmas.

So that's made it all clear....the 2020 date was fact because it was in the Telegraph,that makes it a fact? I don't think you mean 'blatantly',it adds no strength to the word obvious,in fact the adverb confuses the meaning.
I think you mean hypothetical ie based upon an assumption rather than fact or reality,I don't recognise 'hyperhetical'.
Quote 'as you are patently aware','patently' means in this context 'clearly and obviously'....why should I be aware of anything referred to by yourself as hyperhetical,whatever that means?
Education is going to be very important if we are to 'grasp the opportunities that Brexit is offering'.....one of the biggest problems in the UK is that we are not foreign language literate,I have attended hundreds of meetings in China,Germany,France all talking English for my benefit.....China has millions of translators,with degrees in Business English,shamefully I speak little Mandarin...I don't think Mandarin or Cantonese is widely taught in our schools.
And yet,the very immigrants that can help with foreign language translation,the Spanish/Italian receptionists in our hotels for example,are the very people we want to kick out,crazy!!!
KudosDave

 

[oldgroaner]

From the Express: today's prop

So because you can not find referennce to joining zone currently I am talking rubbish...???
I don't presume to know date we might join zone which is blatantly obvious because we may not even be in EU ...The reference to 2020 was quoting Telegraph article...the 10 or 20 years was hyperhetical , as you are patently aware.
Fact is nobody knows what eu will look like in 10 or 20 years...
As for stating opinions as facts...read your own posts Dave...
Merry Christmas.

Don't worry you are as usual contradicting yourself, nothing new there, curious that you now say "we may not even be in the EU"

 

[Zlatan]

So that's made it all clear....the 2020 date was fact because it was in the Telegraph,that makes it a fact? I don't think you mean 'blatantly',it adds no strength to the word obvious,in fact the adverb confuses the meaning.
I think you mean hypothetical ie based upon an assumption rather than fact or reality,I don't recognise 'hyperhetical'.
Quote 'as you are patently aware','patently' means in this context 'clearly and obviously'....why should I be aware of anything referred to by yourself as hyperhetical,whatever that means?
Education is going to be very important if we are to 'grasp the opportunities that Brexit is offering'.....one of the biggest problems in the UK is that we are not foreign language literate,I have attended hundreds of meetings in China,Germany,France all talking English for my benefit.....China has millions of translators,with degrees in Business English,shamefully I speak little Mandarin...I don't think Mandarin or Cantonese is widely taught in our schools.
And yet,the very immigrants that can help with foreign language translation,the Spanish/Italian receptionists in our hotels for example,are the very people we want to kick out,crazy!!!
KudosDave

I never mentioned facts...ok spelling mistake...hypothetical...
Like you didn't know..

OG
How in earth is that contradicting myself ? Saying "we may not even be in EU"

The pedelec mafia gathers....

 

[Croxden]

I can imagine Zlatan on a designer Smart bike.

 

[Zlatan]

I can imagine Zlatan on a designer Smart bike.

Afraid I,ve been put off cycling Croxden...

 

[oldgroaner]

I never mentioned facts...ok spelling mistake...hypothetical...
Like you didn't know..

OG
How in earth is that contradicting myself ? Saying "we may not even be in EU"

The pedelec mafia gathers....

Because up to this point you have given the appearance of being certain Brexit will happen and be a success?

And your apology for posting material like this on a thread I have not contributed to
"Advice for my Sister"

"My advice to your sister..
Put OG on ignore and hope he does same for her...
Mind you, it wont stop him commenting about her posts either way..

Your apology is required here and now, and you wonder why you are unpopular?
Trolls tend to be and that is a prime example of what they do.
Gratuitous stab in the back eh? Pathetic!

 

[anotherkiwi]

The pedelec mafia gathers....

As you are not a cyclist and joined the forum to get advice on powering a submarine device maybe it is time that we ask the moderators to revoke your membership if you are only interested in provocation?

 

[Zlatan]

As you are not a cyclist and joined the forum to get advice on powering a submarine device maybe it is time that we ask the moderators to revoke your membership if you are only interested in provocation?

Good idea...
Have a word with them...

 

[anotherkiwi]

Did you get the information you were seeking? If so your comments and personal attacks on people riding electrically assisted bikes are out of line. So you can go join another forum if you have finished your business here.

 

[Zlatan]

Personal attacks on folk riding electrically assisted bikes ???

Unbelievable...

But I,m getting idea of how this place works...ok for some to call posters scum,idiots, xenophobic, racist,bigot and thick ( all words which certain posters have used against not just me) but have a polite go back ( and even in jest, which is exactly what comment about ignoring OG was) and this is collective response..

OG used the word.

Pathetic.

 

[flecc]

Personal attacks on folk riding electrically assisted bikes ???

Unbelievable...

Perhaps not so unbelievable, here's an example.
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[oldgroaner]

Personal attacks on folk riding electrically assisted bikes ???

Unbelievable...

But I,m getting idea of how this place works...ok for some to call posters scum,idiots, xenophobic, racist,bigot and thick ( all words which certain posters have used against not just me) but have a polite go back ( and even in jest, which is exactly what comment about ignoring OG was) and this is collective response..

OG used the word.

Pathetic.

For someone who came on here waving the Rule Book and acting like some sort of thought police, you really should not go behind people's backs on threads where they are not present to "poke fun" as you put it, then respond with a post like this one.
Grown ups don't behave like that and offer the excuse "people are picking on me" in such a fashion.
Tell me, where in among this lot
" scum,idiots, xenophobic, racist,bigot and thick ( all words which certain posters have used against not just me) "
Are you going to fit the remarks in my post? you seem to attribute one of this selection to any comments made regarding the way you behave, or is it that you recognise yourself in there somewhere?

 

[oldgroaner]

The Express this morning
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BREXIT WARNING: 12 MILLION more migrants to arrive in UK in 25 years without hard Brexit
MASS immigration will continue at "unacceptable" levels for at least the next two decades unless Britain makes a full break with Brussels, a report predicted last night.
Figures showed that annual net migration to the UK from EU countries would be unlikely to fall below 155,000 in the "medium term" if the country stays in the EU's Single Market.

Interesting Mathematical result as 155,000 times 25 equals 3,875,000, and two decades equals 25 years, but then this is from the Express after all

And if there is hard Brexit there will be 11.99 million instead?
Sounds like another Boris and an invasion of Turks yet again.
And the Telegraph was just as bad
"More migrants will come to UK than entire EU populations if Britain stays in single market, warns think tank"
I wonder what kind of a "Think Tank" can come up with that nonsense?
It would be comical if matters had not got so far out of control.

 

[Zlatan]

Perhaps not so unbelievable, here's an example.
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Like I said unbelievable.

A certain poster calls all Tory voters scum, all brexit voters idiots. Another labels them racist calls me a bigot and the forum self appointed police say nothing.
Some on here should be ashamed of themselves for both their bigoted attitudes and the way they respond to posters.They plainly wont be because they are so self righteous with no thought what so ever to others opinions. I include you in that group flecc after deciding I was a troll for disagreeing with you.
Yes ,I have insulted OG, once in retaliation and once in a poor attempt at humour.
There is not another post where I have broken any forum rules. Some cant post without doing so.
This thread is doing cycling a disservice.

 

[Zlatan]

This thread actually eptitomises the remain campaign, and its exactly why they lost and why we are in such a mess.

 

[oldtom]

How does that old saying go......? You know the one - 'If you can't stand the heat.....etc.

Tom

 

[tillson]

"More migrants will come to UK than entire EU populations if Britain stays in single market, warns think tank"
I wonder what kind of a "Think Tank" can come up with that nonsense?
It would be comical if matters had not got so far out of control.

You seem quite happy to quote forecasts and opinions under certain circumstances, but equally content to dismiss them when they are out of kilter with your own personal views.

The size of the population and the rate at which it is growing is a major concern. The strain that this is putting on services and resources is worrying and it is right to discuss the issue, without it being branded as nonsense.