Brexit, for once some facts.

[oldgroaner]

It could mean that , but it USUALLY means stand at ease, but be ready,to go into action. As I said follow the context of the discussion in that segment, and I would REASONABLY interpret the meaning as Stand at ease...

That is the only meaning paramilitary vigilante thugs would understand

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

And who in his infinite wisdom voted for Brexit? was it one of the fickle generation you denigrate so readily?
Oh Dear....sorry..... I'm laughing

Me. I can afford to pay for my mistake. I’m insulated. Others wrote a cheque they can’t honour.

I’m interested, but not in the least bit concerned how Brexit pans out.

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

Hang on which words did they invent?

The word Should. It’s been mentioned earlier and that one word alters the meaning of the statement.

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

All you has to do is report herself to the Police, Pay the £1000 fine and repeatedly mention
Dominic Cummings.

Could work.

 

[oldgroaner]

Me. I can afford to pay for my mistake. I’m insulated. Others wrote a cheque they can’t honour.

I’m interested, but not in the least bit concerned how Brexit pans out.

"not in the least bit concerned how Brexit pans out."

Then you have no social conscience, typical Tory attitude

Doing a "Boris" creating a problem and saying "nothing to do with me, I'm all right Jack?"

 

[oldgroaner]

The word Should. It’s been mentioned earlier and that one word alters the meaning of the statement.

Not in the slightest he still said stand down and stand ready

 

[jonathan.agnew]

I agree. I just feel the balance atm is incorrect.

the Tories promised a trace and test app 4 months ago. They also allowed the murder of the care homes.

but unless we cocoon ourselves till a vaccine comes we are going to get infections. That’s just a fact.

so we need to protect the vulnerable whilst allowing life to go on.

this isn’t the plague.

I'm not sure we should use the plague as a yardstick for measuring deep **** scenarios. But I agree, it's (like care home deaths) about a callous failure of government.

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

"not in the least bit concerned how Brexit pans out."

Then you have no social conscience, typical Tory attitude

Doing a "Boris" creating a problem and saying "nothing to do with me, I'm all right Jack?"

I would be very surprised if you did more than me to support society and to help people. I find most lefties are all gob and activity. Very little in the way of actually doing tangible action. Me, I’m out there helping folks and presenting them with opportunities.

 

[jonathan.agnew]

I would be very surprised if you did more than me to support society and to help people. I find most lefties are all gob and activity. Very little in the way of actually doing tangible action. Me, I’m out there helping folks and presenting them with opportunities.

You mean like voting for brexit? Yes, that will create many opportunities. Fruit picking comes to mind.

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

Not in the slightest he still said stand down and stand ready

No, he said , The Proud boys stand back and stand by. Meaning that’s what they do. They stand back and they stand by. Falsely inserting the word Should gives the statement an entirely different meaning. Even you are at it, so short of evidence and facts you make up you own, as illustrated by your post.

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

You mean like voting for brexit? Yes, that will create many opportunities. Fruit picking comes to mind.

There is no shame in picking fruit. Is it beneath you? There are only so many Media Innovation Dynamicist jobs available, even though the universities are running an abundance of courses.

The university industry is another is like to see collapse in the coming months. We need to lose 50% of our university capacity. Most of the people there have no business being in higher education. It’s a scam. They aren’t getting degrees, they are getting a receipt for £27K. Worthless.

 

[Woosh]

It’s also why Trump will win again (if he doesn’t die from Coronavirus inflicted upon himself by stupidity).

I reckon his strategy of dissuading Democrates voters to come out to vote won't work this time. Firstly, Biden is not calling Trump's voters deplorables/idiots but appeal to them to vote for better paid unionised jobs, secondly, Covid is now the main topic on TV, that put people off voting for Trump.
My guess is Biden will win 60% of the votes.

 

[Danidl]

No, he said , The Proud boys stand back and stand by. Meaning that’s what they do. They stand back and they stand by. Falsely inserting the word Should gives the statement an entirely different meaning. Even you are at it, so short of evidence and facts you make up you own, as illustrated by your post.

Really?. You are now equating his oratory with the precise clarity of a Oxford Don, or high court barrister..this from a person who cannot string two coherent ideas together in sentences. I heard what he said..not your clip from WPJ but the full debate on YouTube..(not a task I want to repeat). Had he even included the word "should ", that would have been an improvement, as it would have implied that they should not act., So including Should is a charity he does not deserve.

 

[Danidl]

The word Should. It’s been mentioned earlier and that one word alters the meaning of the statement.

.. absolutely !!! it SOFTENS the starkness of the command / request/ advice about being ready to wade in.

 

[flecc]

Perfect. You describe it so much better than I could.

It‘s really a case of choosing which end of life you want the rewards. People today choose their late teens through to about 40. Flashy holidays, high expenditure social life (university) and nice cars. The reckoning for that will be working into their 70s and possibly never owning their home.

I did it the other way around. I chose no social life and no cars. I worked full time and managed a 2:1 in Mechanical Engineering from Nottingham University. I couldn’t go to any lectures because I was working and I just picked up lecture notes from the tutors. I completed the same course in the same time scale as my full-time course colleagues. It completely took over my life in my late teen and early 20s. I lost those years. Then I lost several more years being completely broke and unable to afford anything as I saved for and bought my first house. I had a miserable experience financially until my early 30s.

Then it all came good, the rewards kicked in. Since then, I’ve had the financial security to dictate when I work, what type of work I do and the terms under which I do it. Flying has always bern my passion and every working day until retirement two years ago has been filled with excitement and occasional danger. I’ve always looked after my health and now at 58 and can run and cycle further and faster than the majority of people 30 years younger than me in my local clubs. I don’t take it for granted though. I’m painfully aware that my health could decline in an instant.

So in a nutshell. I have absolutely no sympathy for young people. They are generally weak and selfish idiots who want the world to gift them maximum reward for minimum effort. To a large extent, I blame their parents for putting the idea of that possibility in their minds. But they should realise it ain’t going to happen.

It seems we've lived a life in parallel in numerous respects, though mine in earlier decades, even to a bit of flying, though my passion has always been the natural history world with some specialisations.
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[Danidl]

I agree. But that would hurt the banks (massive negative equity). Which would in the long run be great. It could refocus our economy away from financial services into a more sustainable meaningful model (eg producing more specialist goods and services). It would also unlock all the capital doing nothing (economically or for society) tied up in economically inactive bricks and mortar. But its a lot easier to swindle the next generation out of a livelihood than to make that painful transition. It's the change in our economic model Corbyn and Macdonald had in mind and that little englanders found so threatening.

Linking that back to CV19, the Banks , insurance companies, pension funds are all tied together with the requirement that property, particularly commercial, becomes every more expensive. The demand for office space is going to plummet,when it is being realised that people can still be effective while home working. We in Ireland had this rude awakening in 2007 ,and discovered that in law commercial leases had only upwards only rent reviews!. The only way to break that was by declaring bankruptcy ,and restarting as a new company.

 

[flecc]

So in a nutshell. I have absolutely no sympathy for young people. They are generally weak and selfish idiots who want the world to gift them maximum reward for minimum effort. To a large extent, I blame their parents for putting the idea of that possibility in their minds. But they should realise it ain’t going to happen.

I'm sure all those many youngsters I see shelf stacking or staffing supermarket checkouts are already realising that.

And it's likely to be up to a decade before it can get any better. But I do have some sympathy for them, since a long line of politicians have been putting the idea in theirs and their parents minds.

From Harold Wilson's forecast of an impending "age of leisure" through to Blair, Thatcher and Cameron with their mantras of education, education, education and any form of degree guaranteeing a good future, all supported and promoted by their teachers, they've been brainwashed into a belief in a fantasy future. Only to be let down with a harsh jolt.
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[flecc]

Not the plague? a million dead world wide?
Sorry, it isn't over yet either.

Just over 0.001%, mostly with underlying health conditions plus old age

No wonder so many of us aren't concerned about Covid-19.
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[jonathan.agnew]

There is no shame in picking fruit. Is it beneath you? There are only so many Media Innovation Dynamicist jobs available, even though the universities are running an abundance of courses.

The university industry is another is like to see collapse in the coming months. We need to lose 50% of our university capacity. Most of the people there have no business being in higher education. It’s a scam. They aren’t getting degrees, they are getting a receipt for £27K. Worthless.

Yup. It's completely beneath me. I want to live in a country in which our children design the machines and software that pick fruit. Not the thatcherite shithole were in where its 80% services (which, to be fair, means financial services which doesn't provide a service to anyone) and cafes. And we rely on polish tenants in buy to let's to supplement our dwindling pensions.

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

It seems we've lived a life in parallel in numerous respects, though mine in earlier decades, even to a bit of flying, though my passion has always been the natural history world with some specialisations.
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Yes, we differ a lot in some of our thinking and how we see the world / society, but I think we are much closer on other matters.

I worked with the police for a number of years and I saw a lot during that time. You tend to be focused on the arse end of society and it’s easy to fall into the trap of thinking everyone is like that. I sometimes wish I could erase the experience.