Brexit, for once some facts.

[vfr400]

What does the words "stand by" mean? It certainly does not mean disperse. It means Stand by and be READY. If he wanted them to disperse the term is in standard American STAND DOWN...as any viewer of US military dramas knows.
Now the exchange is more convoluted than that... . Trump had been asked a number of times to condemn right wing intimidation, he prevaricated, Then when he asked who should he condemn, .. he could not remember . Biden then volunteered this name Proud Boys . Which Trump then latched onto. But he would then not condemn them, .. the furthest he goes is Stand back and Stand BY.
Then later after the debate he claims not to have heard of them before. Now if Biden knew who they were, would not the President who gets security information each day not be even more aware?.

Like you I cannot believe an intelligent person would be fooled, .. so in your case the conclusion is obvious.

Stand by means stand next to.

 

[vfr400]

Trump appeared to be directing these white supremacists with the following instructions clearly spoken

Stand down
Stand by.

In other words he was confirming he believes he can control them
There wasn't a single word condemning them
it appears you are one of this particular group
"Most people, like you are too stupid to see that:"
Did you actually watch the video in the link you posted?

Have you seen the proud Boys? What type of white supremacists do you think this guy is? He's an Afro-Cuban, Enrique Tarrio , their Chairman and leader. The guys next to him seem very tanned too!

 

[RossG]

Another bunch of crackpots that will dissolve & disappear in good time just as they all do, as they all say "don't worry about it"
Just seen uncle Joe running up the steps of his plane, so much for being half dead. Wonder what colour his wife has decided on for her new white house curtains ... I'd go for a subtle shade of bright red.

 

[Fingers]

I think that's a false dichotomy. It doesn't have to be a dilemma between leaving the old and vulnerable to die - or eternal financially ruinous lockdowns. There are other options. It's the 21st century. Were not, metaphorically speaking, survivors of a plane crash in the Andes who have to decide who to eat. Take a look at Germany or New Zealand. An effective test and trace system followed by a vaccine will not just be a better solution (than allowing the old and vulnerable to die) for now. It will also be for the future. This is the first of many more SARS type pandemics to come.

I agree. I just feel the balance atm is incorrect.

the Tories promised a trace and test app 4 months ago. They also allowed the murder of the care homes.

but unless we cocoon ourselves till a vaccine comes we are going to get infections. That’s just a fact.

so we need to protect the vulnerable whilst allowing life to go on.

this isn’t the plague.

 

[Fingers]

Ive been listening to Simon Schama‘s history of Britain. I loved the tv series. I got it on audible to put on as I go to sleep. I wish I knew how to cancel audible lol.

but I digress.

do you know how long the plague lasted? Nearly 3 hundred years.

think about that. If you got it you were about 90 percent likely to die. I get modern medicine wasn’t around. But that was a pandemic.

spanish flu had a higher mortality rate. one hundred millions died In one single wave. The second wave was nearly worse.

we are now at about 1 million deaths globally of covid. most with underlying conditions. Not just most actually. All apart from a few hundred nationally and a few thousand globally.

1.5m die of tb per year globally. That’s now.

where is the worry over tb?

what is going on?

 

[Danidl]

Ive been listening to Simon Schama‘s history of Britain. I loved the tv series. I got it on audible to put on as I go to sleep. I wish I knew how to cancel audible lol.

but I digress.

do you know how long the plague lasted? Nearly 3 hundred years.

think about that. If you got it you were about 90 percent likely to die. I get modern medicine wasn’t around. But that was a pandemic.

spanish flu had a higher mortality rate. one hundred millions died In one single wave. The second wave was nearly worse.

we are now at about 1 million deaths globally of covid. most with underlying conditions. Not just most actually. All apart from a few hundred nationally and a few thousand globally.

1.5m die of tb per year globally. That’s now.

where is the worry over tb?

what is going on?

So TB is endemic in every country on earth, and CV19, is about 3 times more lethal . That is what you have said. .we have about 1/3 year exposure globally. We are only now getting it in every country on earth ..a feat achieved by TB,and flu and pneumonia long ago.
The argument about underlying conditions is just candyfloss. The underlying condition for Spanish Flu was chronic malnutrition,after 4 years of war. The underlying condition for the Black death was lack of cats

 

[Danidl]

Stand by means stand next to.

It could mean that , but it USUALLY means stand at ease, but be ready,to go into action. As I said follow the context of the discussion in that segment, and I would REASONABLY interpret the meaning as Stand at ease...

 

[Danidl]

It’s not me I’m thinking of. This thing has barely affected me or my family.

Im just saying this is a numbers game. You have people who may never work again thanks to the insane way this crisis has been managed.

at some point we need to take a step back. Not go deeper and deeper into every politician trying to out covid one another.

and if you have the gall to mention that this is madness and using a sledge hammer to crack a coconut yiu are called a granny killer.

we have to be sensible. Millions of lives now are being ruined and millions more are about to be. Not to mention the debt that will be paid by the selfish, lazy youth today. (C) Barry shitpeas till they die And their children die.

this is madness. 770 students were infected in Northumberland this week. Only ten percent showed symptoms.

this is not the plague.

Look at Northern Ireland data over the last 4 days. Fridays figure is 934 , double Thursdays, double Wednesday . Remember NI is just1.8 M population

 

[oldgroaner]

It’s not me I’m thinking of. This thing has barely affected me or my family.

Im just saying this is a numbers game. You have people who may never work again thanks to the insane way this crisis has been managed.

at some point we need to take a step back. Not go deeper and deeper into every politician trying to out covid one another.

and if you have the gall to mention that this is madness and using a sledge hammer to crack a coconut yiu are called a granny killer.

we have to be sensible. Millions of lives now are being ruined and millions more are about to be. Not to mention the debt that will be paid by the selfish, lazy youth today. (C) Barry shitpeas till they die And their children die.

this is madness. 770 students were infected in Northumberland this week. Only ten percent showed symptoms.

this is not the plague.

Not the plague? a million dead world wide?
Sorry, it isn't over yet either.

 

[oldgroaner]

I just realised someting from this video.
No talent whatsoever is required to be Prime Minister

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1312102304116428800

 

[oldgroaner]

Stand by means stand next to.

It does not it means await orders

 

[oldgroaner]

The Trump bots are out in force

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1312084177425256449

 

[oldgroaner]

Have you seen the proud Boys? What type of white supremacists do you think this guy is? He's an Afro-Cuban, Enrique Tarrio , their Chairman and leader. The guys next to him seem very tanned too!

So he's just a right wing mixed race fascist eh?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proud_Boys
"The Proud Boys are a far-right,[1][2] neo-fascist[3][4][5][6] and male-only[7][8] organization with ties to white supremacists[9] that promotes and engages in political violence.[10][11][12][13] It is based in the United States and also has a presence in Canada.[14] The group originated in the far-right Taki's Magazine

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

You must be joking. When did you buy your first home?

1986. It cost 7 x my annual salary. I saved a 30% deposit. Interest rates were around 10% from memory, maybe higher. It can be done. It’s doable, but determination, a certain level of sacrifice is required. That is where the problem lies and it is not any government’s fault. Most people of the age where they should be buying their first home are weak, immature, selfish and short sighted. They are an underwhelming and unremarkable generation of people.

They blow a fortune on worthless, easy subject, degree courses where their priority is gratification via drinking and partying. Learning is secondary.

All of the above is evident in their behaviour during this Coronavirus pandemic. Without exception, every one of my tenants drives a higher value car than me, and until yesterday, has been on holiday more recently than me. That money could have been used towards a deposit for a house similar to the one that they pay me to live in.

They are complete ******* idiots and I’m very content to take whatever amount of money the market dictates from them. It’s no ones fault but their own.

Since March I’ve re-let two houses, both to Polish tenants and from the experience so far, I would prioritise Polish nationals over UK residents.

A private landlord friend has had a bad experience with the government eviction ban and the six month rule. A couple of his tenants have simply stopped paying even though they are still working! Like they view furlough as a big Bank Holiday, they think the eviction ban is the green light to save a bit of cash to spunk on bling. It’s not going to seem like a good idea in a few weeks time!

i‘ve got a small housing development project underway which has stopped and started several times this year. I decided to stop it again a few weeks back. Too much Brexit uncertainty.

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

Or telling the proud boys to "stand by" before telling fox news he "doesn't really know much about them". Its kind of accidentally unplugging his ventilator stuff.

You see he didn’t actually say that. The left leaning media has invented those words. This is how desperate and short of actual evidence they are. It’s also why Trump will win again (if he doesn’t die from Coronavirus inflicted upon himself by stupidity).

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

This is terrible news, it has crossed species from Homo Sapiens to Homo dysfunctional-non sapiens now.
It must be working down the food chain, vegetables will be contracting it next.
Must check my onions

Has The Donald caught coronavirus or has coronavirus caught The Donald? Our thoughts and prayers are with the virus.

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

He isn't. Although I'm opposed to most of Barry's views, he could well be right here.

I bought my first home at the end of 1960, deposit was 25%, the morgtage was 5.3 times salary and was at 6.5%. That was a bungalow for my parents, I had no intention of living there since my own plans on where I was going to settle weren't decided, so I was renting nearer where I worked.

Seven years later I bought my small flat, all I wanted. Thankfully the deposit was only 5%, leaving it at 4.2 times salary, but because I was already lumbered with one full mortage and mortages were very difficult get to get back then, my only option was a commercial mortgage through the Property Owners Building Society. That was at 9%, so the mortgage payments were well over those for the bungalow.

Nobody has paid mortgage rates remotely like those for decades, there's been many assisted purchase schemes which never existed in the past and there are areas with low house prices, compared with the premium ones.

Where Barry is most right is that young people are not prepared to sacrifice to achieve these days. Each of those first two property purchases I made both took immense sacrifice for a while on my part, living at barely existence levels. I even ran out of food one Christmas holiday period.

Many more young people could have got on the property ladder now by similar harsh self deprivation for several initial years with an eye on their future as he and I did each time, but they won't. They want to be able to continue running a car or using public transport instead of walking or riding a bike, buy high end i-Phones or Galaxies, wear branded fashion clothes instead of buying off market stalls and other low cost sources, get fast food delivered because they are too lazy to learn how to cook good but low cost food.

That's their foolish choice, to end up later in life when less able to cope with ever increasing rent, poor living standards and often no more car ownership.

The wiser choice Barry and I made was the opposite, in my case 30 years of early retirement so far with an income far in excess of outgoings, living in more luxury than most without ever having to look at a price before buying and owning six new cars paid for by cash during that 30 years.

Ironically in the present discussion context, perhaps a bit like Covid-19. Take the hit early to benefit substantially later!
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Perfect. You describe it so much better than I could.

It‘s really a case of choosing which end of life you want the rewards. People today choose their late teens through to about 40. Flashy holidays, high expenditure social life (university) and nice cars. The reckoning for that will be working into their 70s and possibly never owning their home.

I did it the other way around. I chose no social life and no cars. I worked full time and managed a 2:1 in Mechanical Engineering from Nottingham University. I couldn’t go to any lectures because I was working and I just picked up lecture notes from the tutors. I completed the same course in the same time scale as my full-time course colleagues. It completely took over my life in my late teen and early 20s. I lost those years. Then I lost several more years being completely broke and unable to afford anything as I saved for and bought my first house. I had a miserable experience financially until my early 30s.

Then it all came good, the rewards kicked in. Since then, I’ve had the financial security to dictate when I work, what type of work I do and the terms under which I do it. Flying has always bern my passion and every working day until retirement two years ago has been filled with excitement and occasional danger. I’ve always looked after my health and now at 58 and can run and cycle further and faster than the majority of people 30 years younger than me in my local clubs. I don’t take it for granted though. I’m painfully aware that my health could decline in an instant.

So in a nutshell. I have absolutely no sympathy for young people. They are generally weak and selfish idiots who want the world to gift them maximum reward for minimum effort. To a large extent, I blame their parents for putting the idea of that possibility in their minds. But they should realise it ain’t going to happen.

 

[daveboy]

I think she’s going for it. By that I mean trying to sit it out in the hope of other news overtaking her stupidity.

All she has to do is report herself to the Police, Pay the £1000 fine and repeatedly mention
Dominic Cummings.

 

[oldgroaner]

1986. It cost 7 x my annual salary. I saved a 30% deposit. Interest rates were around 10% from memory, maybe higher. It can be done. It’s doable, but determination, a certain level of sacrifice is required. That is where the problem lies and it is not any government’s fault. Most people of the age where they should be buying their first home are weak, immature, selfish and short sighted. They are an underwhelming and unremarkable generation of people.

They blow a fortune on worthless, easy subject, degree courses where their priority is gratification via drinking and partying. Learning is secondary.

All of the above is evident in their behaviour during this Coronavirus pandemic. Without exception, every one of my tenants drives a higher value car than me, and until yesterday, has been on holiday more recently than me. That money could have been used towards a deposit for a house similar to the one that they pay me to live in.

They are complete ******* idiots and I’m very content to take whatever amount of money the market dictates from them. It’s no ones fault but their own.

Since March I’ve re-let two houses, both to Polish tenants and from the experience so far, I would prioritise Polish nationals over UK residents.

A private landlord friend has had a bad experience with the government eviction ban and the six month rule. A couple of his tenants have simply stopped paying even though they are still working! Like they view furlough as a big Bank Holiday, they think the eviction ban is the green light to save a bit of cash to spunk on bling. It’s not going to seem like a good idea in a few weeks time!

i‘ve got a small housing development project underway which has stopped and started several times this year. I decided to stop it again a few weeks back. Too much Brexit uncertainty.

And who in his infinite wisdom voted for Brexit? was it one of the fickle generation you denigrate so readily?
Oh Dear....sorry..... I'm laughing

 

[oldgroaner]

You see he didn’t actually say that. The left leaning media has invented those words. This is how desperate and short of actual evidence they are. It’s also why Trump will win again (if he doesn’t die from Coronavirus inflicted upon himself by stupidity).

Hang on which words did they invent?