Brexit, for once some facts.

[oldgroaner]

Don't forget this is our future as promised so it must come true
How exciting!

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1309380337693229058

I wonder how many Brexit fans realise that there is still a big market for fish in Grimsby and Hull, but not from the EU

It's almost all from Iceland, and lately mid Atlantic, where the fish we all eat has always come from, and that isn't going to change, you don't get enough cod in the North Sea on a long term sustainable basis.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/oct/02/shoppers-uk-avoid-north-sea-cod-wild-atlantic-salmon

 

[wheeler]

Nothing says Black Lives Matter like shooting random police officers who are just going about their duty.

It’s time this scum was washed down the drain and into the sewer where it belongs.

That's one way to stop them shooting unarmed black people.

 

[wheeler]

I've come up with:

• Download capacity (surely not with Google & Apple stores being behind it?)
• Fear of vast numbers of technical issues (causing problems to people's phones)
• Fear of bad publicity
• Embarrassment that it is so late
• Virtually no testing between the NI and S apps and this E&W app.

I installed more or less at the time I posted. And it has used 6% of my battery already (iPhone 6s). Which works out around 16% over 24 hours. That is a serious additional load on the poor old phone. Without any other phones within range (at least, none with the app installed).

If there's nobody around just switch off location and Bluetooth.

 

[wheeler]

I have a windows phone which can't get the app.

Nor much else, I would think, as support gradually vanishes.

 

[flecc]

That's one way to stop them shooting unarmed black people.

Unfortunately one of our Met Police officers was shot at 2.15 last night here in Croydon and died in hospital. The 23 year old suspect who had already been arrested and detained then shot himself and is critically ill in hospital.

These shootings were inside our police custody centre which is in South Norwood, East Croydon, indicating considerable carelessness on the part of the arresting officers in their arrest search of the suspect before putting him into the police van and taking him into the custody centre where he suddenly drew the gun.

P.S. I've just learnt he was police sergeant, a horrible parallel. In the last half century one other police officer lost his life on duty here in Croydon 26 years ago. He too was a sergeant when he was stabbed by a suspect he was trying to arrest and was also based at South Norwood. LINK
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[jonathan.agnew]

Unfortunately one of our Met Police officers was shot at 2.15 last night here in Croydon and died in hospital. The 23 year old suspect who had already been arrested and detained then shot himself and is critically ill in hospital.

These shootings were inside our police custody centre which is in South Norwood, East Croydon, indicating considerable carelessness on the part of the arresting officers in their arrest search of the suspect before putting him into the police van and taking him into the custody centre where he suddenly drew the gun.
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I gather from bbc they say searching became more lax as a result of covid distancing. It's curious, it's not easy to get a handgun in uk, moreso when one is in the mental state that precede a homicide/suicide

 

[flecc]

I gather from bbc they say searching became more lax as a result of covid distancing. It's curious, it's not easy to get a handgun in uk, moreso when one is in the mental state that precede a homicide/suicide

Still careless though. The search is by hands which can be washed afterwards in the custody centre and the suspect should have been in handcuffs until the search was completed satisfactorily. I know the police are still conducting forcible stripdowns where necessary due to suspects refusing to disrobe.

We can bet thorough searches will be the order of the day from now on. Guns and knives are far more dangerous than Covid ever will be.
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[Barry Shittpeas]

That's one way to stop them shooting unarmed black people.

Not unarmed. The woman who was shot at the incident which triggered this latest unjustified violence was with a man who had a gun and he was shooting at police officers. She got caught in the crossfire. Do what the policeman says, don’t shoot at the police and don’t hang around with gunmen and all will be well. Totally self inflicted and correct decision to release the officers. They should go in with a machine gun next time.

I don’t know any details, but it wouldn’t surprise me if this Croydon shooting stems from officers now being too scared to search and cuff suspects, brought about by all this BLAME and BLM crap. BLM needs to be crushed and to become a banned movement. It’s just using something which doesn’t exist as cover for criminal activity.

 

[jonathan.agnew]

Unfortunately one of our Met Police officers was shot at 2.15 last night here in Croydon and died in hospital. The 23 year old suspect who had already been arrested and detained then shot himself and is critically ill in hospital.

These shootings were inside our police custody centre which is in South Norwood, East Croydon, indicating considerable carelessness on the part of the arresting officers in their arrest search of the suspect before putting him into the police van and taking him into the custody centre where he suddenly drew the gun.

P.S. I've just learnt he was police sergeant, a horrible parallel. In the last half century one other police officer lost his life on duty here in Croydon 26 years ago. He too was a sergeant when he was stabbed by a suspect he was trying to arrest and was also based at South Norwood. LINK
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It's a shitty time to be a public servant. Saw on bbc a few days ago anti covid rally in central london. Policeman, my age, vulnerable group, surrounded closely by braying screaming unmasked very likely infected covid deniers. Somehow he looked resigned which isnt at all what I'd feel in his shoes.

 

[oldgroaner]

Not unarmed. The woman who was shot at the incident which triggered this latest unjustified violence was with a man who had a gun and he was shooting at police officers. She got caught in the crossfire. Do what the policeman says, don’t shoot at the police and don’t hang around with gunmen and all will be well. Totally self inflicted and correct decision to release the officers. They should go in with a machine gun next time.

I don’t know any details, but it wouldn’t surprise me if this Croydon shooting stems from officers now being too scared to search and cuff suspects, brought about by all this BLAME and BLM crap. BLM needs to be crushed and to become a banned movement. It’s just using something which doesn’t exist as cover for criminal activity.

Bigotry is a great time saver
It allow you to make your mid up without bothering
With the facts


It led to Brexit
And it led to thousands of unnecessary deaths through electing a Government that was not working in the interests of the Public, nor competent to do the job, even if it had been

 

[flecc]

I don’t know any details, but it wouldn’t surprise me if this Croydon shooting stems from officers now being too scared to search and cuff suspects, brought about by all this BLAME and BLM crap. BLM needs to be crushed and to become a banned movement. It’s just using something which doesn’t exist as cover for criminal activity.

I see you are assuming the latest suspect is black.

If you look at my previous post and its P.S., you'll see the earlier killer of a police sergeant here was white and the latest one might still be too.

In fact almost all police officers killed or very seriously injured have suffered that at the hands of White men, even the most recent ones.
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[Nev]

I gather from bbc they say searching became more lax as a result of covid distancing. It's curious, it's not easy to get a handgun in uk, moreso when one is in the mental state that precede a homicide/suicide

I just heard the following report about this incident on one of the news channels which if true seems to be very strange. The reporter said the man was arrested because the Police had found him in possession of a small quantity of ammunition.

If this is what happened surely the Police would carry out a thorough search of the man (while the man was handcuffed) before he was placed into the Police van. My understanding is that it is far more difficult to get ammunition for a hand gun than the actual hand gun itself. Therefore if you find someone with ammunition on them you have to consider you are dealing with a fairly dangerous individual.

I wonder if there was a mix up in procedures back in the custody sweet and the suspect managed to grab either his own gun (which the Police had found during the search), of if he managed to grab an armed officers gun in a scuffle.

I can't imagine any Police officer, having arrested someone for possession of ammunition would not carry out a complete search to ensure they did not have a gun hidden on them, it does not make any sense.

 

[Nev]

Not unarmed. The woman who was shot at the incident which triggered this latest unjustified violence was with a man who had a gun and he was shooting at police officers.

I have not followed this in any great detail, all I know about it is what I hear now and again on the odd news report on CNBC. The last report I heard on CNBC said the man who was shot had a license for the gun he had and the Police who came to his house were under cover and not in Police uniform. I don't know if these are true facts or not but that is was the news reporter said.

 

[Woosh]

Where did you find your doctor? Wish mine did.

that was vfr's doctor. Mine asks what I am after and kindly prints the prescriptions. Consultations are usually under 2-3 minutes.

 

[flecc]

I just heard the following report about this incident on one of the news channels which if true seems to be very strange. The reporter said the man was arrested because the Police had found him in possession of a small quantity of ammunition.

If this is what happened surely the Police would carry out a thorough search of the man (while the man was handcuffed) before he was placed into the Police van. My understanding is that it is far more difficult to get ammunition for a hand gun than the actual hand gun itself. Therefore if you find someone with ammunition on them you have to consider you are dealing with a fairly dangerous individual.

I wonder if there was a mix up in procedures back in the custody sweet and the suspect managed to grab either his own gun (which the Police had found during the search), of if he managed to grab an armed officers gun in a scuffle.

I can't imagine any Police officer, having arrested someone for possession of ammunition would not carry out a complete search to ensure they did not have a gun hidden on them, it does not make any sense.

I very much doubt we will ever know the truth about this since there will inevitably be an account putting the police in the best light possible in the circumstances.
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[Nev]

On BBC2 right now, Geraint Thomas has just gone into first place by nearly a minute in the cycling world time trial championships. The big favorites are still to finish so its still early days.

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

Still careless though. The search is by hands which can be washed afterwards in the custody centre and the suspect should have been in handcuffs until the search was completed satisfactorily. I know the police are still conducting forcible stripdowns where necessary due to suspects refusing to disrobe.

We can bet thorough searches will be the order of the day from now on. Guns and knives are far more dangerous than Covid ever will be.
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I don’t know if the suspect was black or not, but there is so much crap going on at the moment about searching suspects and the use of handcuffs, officers are scared shitless to do anything. It about time people started supporting what they do not criticising them at every turn.

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

I very much doubt we will ever know the truth about this since there will inevitably be an account putting the police in the best light possible in the circumstances.
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An officer has been shot dead for Christ sake. A man just going to work to do his job and not coming home. What’s the **** is wrong with you?

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

I have not followed this in any great detail, all I know about it is what I hear now and again on the odd news report on CNBC. The last report I heard on CNBC said the man who was shot had a license for the gun he had and the Police who came to his house were under cover and not in Police uniform. I don't know if these are true facts or not but that is was the news reporter said.

All he had to do was follow the policeman’s instructions. He killed the woman, not the police.

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

I just heard the following report about this incident on one of the news channels which if true seems to be very strange. The reporter said the man was arrested because the Police had found him in possession of a small quantity of ammunition.

If this is what happened surely the Police would carry out a thorough search of the man (while the man was handcuffed) before he was placed into the Police van. My understanding is that it is far more difficult to get ammunition for a hand gun than the actual hand gun itself. Therefore if you find someone with ammunition on them you have to consider you are dealing with a fairly dangerous individual.

I wonder if there was a mix up in procedures back in the custody sweet and the suspect managed to grab either his own gun (which the Police had found during the search), of if he managed to grab an armed officers gun in a scuffle.

I can't imagine any Police officer, having arrested someone for possession of ammunition would not carry out a complete search to ensure they did not have a gun hidden on them, it does not make any sense.

From what I’ve heard, a police firearm was not discharged, which makes the situation very difficult to understand.