Brexit, for once some facts.

[oyster]

Yet again, we are NOT world-beating - even if we eventually get there.

'Close to 100% accuracy': Helsinki airport uses sniffer dogs to detect Covid

Researchers running Helsinki pilot scheme say dogs can identify virus in seconds
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/24/close-to-100-accuracy-airport-enlists-sniffer-dogs-to-test-for-covid-19

 

[jonathan.agnew]

What people are being asked to do isn’t a big sacrifice, but under 40s have generally shown themselves to be weak.

I’m pleased with Sunak’s latest measures. The old Furlough scheme was a payment to do a job for the country. That job was to stay at home and not spread the disease. Instead the under 40s treated it like a big bank holiday and were $hitting in spent burger boxes on crowded beaches.

They have now ****** themselves. These latest restrictions could have been avoided by taking very simple measures, but they just couldn’t do it. And now they are paying the price.

Property rents are going through the roof at the moment. I re-let a property during July and easily got an extra 15%. Once again it’s under 40s who are paying because of their weakness.

Oh the two of you, blaming each other's generations. It all becoming someone else's fault. The misery inflicted by your own corrupt conniving government. If I hadn't known better, I'd have sworn both of you voted for brexit with that kind of outlook.

 

[Woosh]

I’m pleased with Sunak’s latest measures. The old Furlough scheme was a payment to do a job for the country.

I would rather we spend the money to make the workplace safe.
Let's say in order for your business to make the working environment Covid safe, you have to install a new air ventilation and conditioning system. You don't get any grant. So what do you do? you halve the number of people in the room, half will work only mornings, the other half only afternoons.
Each employee will lose one third of the half day, Sunak pays one third and the business the last third.
Compare the cost to the employees and the business to the cost of the air conditioning and ventilation system after 6 months. This government is simply looking for easy ways to say 'we've done something'.

 

[Danidl]

I would rather we spend the money to make the workplace safe.
Let's say in order for your business to make the working environment Covid safe, you have to install a new air ventilation and conditioning system. You don't get any grant. So what do you do? you halve the number of people in the room, half will work only mornings, the other half only afternoons.
Each employee will lose one third of the half day, Sunak pays one third and the business the last third.
Compare the cost to the employees and the business to the cost of the air conditioning and ventilation system after 6 months. This government is simply looking for easy ways to say 'we've done something'.

All the above have been tried. My daughter works in QC of a plant operating 16/24 or in other section 24 x 365 . The very first action in March, was to close the canteen and use the space to separate out the office staff into further distancing. The next was to divide the QC lab staff into pods and instead of the previous shift pattern, work with 3 x 7.0 hr shifts ,with the labs being vacated for 20 minutes before each shift and strict instructions to be off the premises before the next shift arrived.. so I would be waiting in the car with her , untill the others left. Public transport being reduced ..

 

[jonathan.agnew]

I would rather we spend the money to make the workplace safe.
Let's say in order for your business to make the working environment Covid safe, you have to install a new air ventilation and conditioning system. You don't get any grant. So what do you do? you halve the number of people in the room, half will work only mornings, the other half only afternoons.
Each employee will lose one third of the half day, Sunak pays one third and the business the last third.
Compare the cost to the employees and the business to the cost of the air conditioning and ventilation system after 6 months. This government is simply looking for easy ways to say 'we've done something'.

But Sunak is also saying it's part of the economy having to permanently adjust to a new reality. About not supporting businesses that will not survive in a post covid world. Which is chilling, but true. Perhaps a business that doesn't have the resources, capacity to adjust, darwinian as it sounds (say a small airline) isnt destined to make it

 

[Woosh]

vfr said something about the difference between engineers and doctors. Engineers fix the cause, doctors fix the symptoms and this government only tries to procure and they couldn't even do that. You have to ask yourself what good they actually do.
Like they try to reduce pollution and yet, subsidise oil and gas industries as much as solar and wind with tax money raised from consumption of electricity or pay for treatment of lung and mouth cancers with duty on cigarettes.

 

[oldgroaner]

This made me smile

 

[oldgroaner]

Oh the two of you, blaming each other's generations. It all becoming someone else's fault. The misery inflicted by your own corrupt conniving government. If I hadn't known better, I'd have sworn both of you voted for brexit with that kind of outlook.

Funny you should say that..........

 

[flecc]

Yet again, we are NOT world-beating - even if we eventually get there.

'Close to 100% accuracy': Helsinki airport uses sniffer dogs to detect Covid

Researchers running Helsinki pilot scheme say dogs can identify virus in seconds
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/24/close-to-100-accuracy-airport-enlists-sniffer-dogs-to-test-for-covid-19

Someone has a sense of humour, a pilot scheme in an airport.
.

 

[oldgroaner]

Yet again, we are NOT world-beating - even if we eventually get there.

'Close to 100% accuracy': Helsinki airport uses sniffer dogs to detect Covid

Researchers running Helsinki pilot scheme say dogs can identify virus in seconds
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/24/close-to-100-accuracy-airport-enlists-sniffer-dogs-to-test-for-covid-19

Surely if a dog can detect such a scent an electronic analyser could be employed?
https://airsense.com/en/products/portable-electronic-nose

 

[oyster]

Someone has a sense of humour, a pilot scheme in an airport.
.

And the dog that is called ET.

 

[oldgroaner]

Someone has a sense of humour, a pilot scheme in an airport.
.

It does sound too good to be true....

 

[oyster]

Surely if a dog can detect such a scent an electronic analyser could be employed?
https://airsense.com/en/products/portable-electronic-nose

Except that even in areas with a much longer history than Covid-19, dogs (usually) outperform technology.

And this snippet even points out human olfaction:

http://wrap.warwick.ac.uk/40314/1/WRAP_Arasaradnam_Letter_to_the_Editor_Feb_2011_revised.pdf

 

[flecc]

Surely if a dog can detect such a scent an electronic analyser could be employed?
https://airsense.com/en/products/portable-electronic-nose

I think dog nasal capability is far beyond any sensor technology we are capable of. You probably know of the instances where dogs have detected cancer in their owners long before any medical diagnosis. Here's one

There's been others.
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[oldgroaner]

Fascinating

 

[oyster]

I have been expecting some move by PC - they have been too quiet recently:

Plaid Cymru sets out possible roadmap for Welsh independence
Report calls for ‘exploratory referendum’ to look at options, followed by an in-out vote
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/sep/25/plaid-cymru-sets-out-possible-roadmap-for-welsh-independence

 

[oyster]

Oh great...

Dominic Cummings' data law shake-up a danger to trade, says EU
Exclusive: proposed rewriting of data protection rules said to put vital cooperation in doubt
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/sep/25/dominic-cummings-data-law-shake-up-a-danger-to-trade-says-eu

 

[oyster]

doctors fix the symptoms

Where did you find your doctor? Wish mine did.

 

[Wicky]

More confusion about the new App

NHS Covid-19 app: One million downloads of contact tracer for England and Wales - BBC News

Users are being urged to install the app to protect themselves and others against the resurgent virus.

www.bbc.co.uk

Mr Hancock told BBC Breakfast: "That self-isolation is voluntary, unlike the mandatory self-isolation if you are called by NHS Test and Trace."

But the Department of Health had earlier said that users must obey the command and would in theory be liable for fines of £1,000 or more if they did not, while acknowledging it had no way to check.

A senior source has since told the BBC that the notification is "advisory" because the authorities cannot legally enforce something that cannot be proved.

....a major challenge will be convincing them to download it in the first place:

• officials suggest only about one in 10 people installed the app during a recent trial in the London Borough of Newham, an area picked for its ethnic diversity. When the BBC visited on Wednesday, a reporter could only find one person using it
• Scotland's app launched about a fortnight ago, and roughly one in five people there have installed it
• Ireland, one of the leaders in the field, has still only convinced about one in three people to use its app, which was released in July

 

[oldgroaner]

Don't forget this is our future as promised so it must come true
How exciting!

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1309380337693229058