Brexit, for once some facts.

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I've just been hearing of cost of London's very high initial Covid-19 infection rate and the overall poor UK record.

It seems our UK tourism industry has taken by far the largest hit in all of Europe, down by some 80% overall and in some sectors 95%.
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"Access to community testing has had to be rationed because the network of five Lighthouse Labs, which process tests done in the community, are struggling to keep up with demand."

Lighthouse Labs > Deloitte

The first private sector Lighthouse labs were set up in April by a project run by the accountancy firm Deloitte, bypassing the NHS and the public health network.

Deloitte > OSBORNE, George

Name of donor: Deloitte LLP
Address of donor: 2 New Street Square, London EC4A 3BZ.
Amount of donation or nature and value if donation in kind: in my capacity as Shadow Chancellor I and another Conservative Party MP receive support from Deloitte LLP in the form of services and advice provided in connection with the Eggar Report. Deloitte LLP have provided these services and advice as part of a larger donation in kind to the Conservative Party. Deloitte LLP's work has an estimated value of £60,000 for the period October 2009-January 2010, which will be reported to the Electoral Commission by the Conservative Party.
Donor status: limited liability partnership
(Registered 1 March 2010)

Deloitte's links to the Conservative party have been questioned in the past. In January, Labour MP John Robertson used written parliamentary questions to reveal that Ingeus Deloitte, which is 50% owned by Deloitte, won lucrative contracts through the government's Work Programme worth nearly £774m.


Consulting
Consulting assists clients by providing services in the offering areas of Strategy, Analytics and M&A, Customer and Marketing, Core Business Operations, Human Capital, and Enterprise Technology and Performance. Consulting is Deloitte's largest business, bringing over 40% of total revenues in 2020.

In An American Sickness (2017), Dr. Elisabeth Rosenthal attributed to Deloitte a key role in counseling the adoption of "strategic billing" as a way of increasing revenues from hospital business. She dates this development from 2005, when Deloitte hired Tommy Thompson, former secretary of health and human services, as chairman of its global healthcare practice. In 2011, Deloitte was ranked No. 1 by revenue in all areas of healthcare consulting—life sciences, payer, provider, and government health.

The firm implemented the SAP HR system for the Los Angeles Unified School District (LAUSD) for $95 million and because of faults in the system, some teachers were underpaid, overpaid, or not paid at all. As of 31 December 2007, LAUSD had incurred a total of $140 million in payments to Deloitte to get the system working properly.[62] In 2008, there was some evidence that the payroll issues had started to stabilize with errors below 1% according to LAUSD's chief operating officer.

The firm worked on a statewide case management system which originally had a budget of around $260 million. Almost $500 million had been spent and costs were at one time projected to potentially run as high as $2 billion. No single court became fully operational.[64] California's Judicial Council terminated the project in 2012 citing actual deployment costs associated with the project and California's budget concerns.

 

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The handsets must have Android 6.0 (released in 2015) or iOS 13.5 (released in May 2020) and Bluetooth 4.0 or higher. That excludes the iPhone 6 and older versions of Apple's handsets.

Likewise - I have an iPhone 5S

The joy of tech!
I consider myself fortunate in not having any mobile phone signal or adequate WiFi, so never falling victim to the ever increasingly expensive smartphone scam.

Like many millions of others who don't have a signal, despite the government's false claim of 95% coverage, plus the other few millions who don't want one anyway, I live a just as full life very happily without one.
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The handsets must have Android 6.0 (released in 2015) or iOS 13.5 (released in May 2020) and Bluetooth 4.0 or higher. That excludes the iPhone 6 and older versions of Apple's handsets.

Likewise - I have an iPhone 5S

The joy of tech!
You can run any app on any phone regardless but you'll have to jump through hoops to do it, have a search online it'll tell you how.
 

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I consider myself fortunate in not having any mobile phone signal or adequate WiFi, so never falling victim to the ever increasingly expensive smartphone scam.

Like many millions of others who don't have a signal, despite the government's false claim of 95% coverage, plus the other few millions who don't want one anyway, I live a just as full life very happily without one.
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," I live a just as full life very happily without one.".. That is exactly what the serf in middle Europe would say 800 years ago...and he might be talking about a wheelbarrow. The fact is you cannot know, whether you would be happier or more stressed with a smarter phone or a snappier wheelbarrow
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Fair weather friends... The EU weather centre has been located in Reading for decades, Reading University has had a highly regarded meteorological department ,and indeed the majority of the Irish Weather Service personnel did their Masters there, following Physics Degrees in Ireland.
With the Brexit situation,it will now close and be reallocated to an EU city. Dublin is in the running for the 200 jobs. Since most European weather is of Atlantic origin, Ireland is a logical location.
 

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," I live a just as full life very happily without one.".. That is exactly what the serf in middle Europe would say 800 years ago...and he might be talking about a wheelbarrow. The fact is you cannot know, whether you would be happier or more stressed with a smarter phone or a snappier wheelbarrow.
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There you go again with your assumptions that you know better than the person on the spot! You never do.

I absolutely know I would be worse off and more stressed with one. Here's why:

Firstly I do have a perfectly good mobile phone, it lives switched off in my car for emergency use. It has the benefit of a large battery which I only need to charge once every two months at most, and that's when I also phone my home phone number to maintain the PAYG account. So no stress whatsoever doing that since I recharge all my many lithium batteries in the same sequence.

Second, that phone only cost me £12. Compare that to what most spend on Smartphones.

Third, to encourage me to use the thing more, Virgin gave me £40 on the 6th of April 2012. My two monthly phone call has reduced that to £26.05 eight and a half years later so it will certainly do the same for the rest of my life, so it's free to run.

Fourth, I consider all phones a curse and the last thing I want is to receive calls when I'm out on various activities, or make outgoing calls at those times. I have a home phone, computer and internet for such communications.

Fifth, I use cameras for my photographic purposes and Smartphone cameras are no good for most of the natural history types I do.

Sixth, there is no service a smartphone can offer that I don't already have or want or need.

Seventh, I possess a new Motorola Smartphone that a spendthrift friend gave me after he'd changed his mind and bought another instead. Since I have no signal I've never set it up fully and have already experienced enough to know I don't want it. The first disadvantage for me is that it cannot replace my car mobile since the battery, although a quite large 3000 MAh one, doesn't last as long switched off. The second disadvantage is, like all smartphones, its response to screen swipes is unreliable and unpredictable. Of course I already knew that from the very many times I've seen others lose something, then spend ages swiping to get back to where they were or where they want to go. Just to switch it right off rather than go into standby takes a varying number of attempts on this one and I can't stand equipment that doesn't work as it should.

Finally I suspect you think me an old duffer who resists progress. If you do, you couldn't be more wrong. One look at my remote controlled home which even extends to my detached and rather distant garage would dispel any such notion, as would the internet coupling of much of my home's contents where it's useful.
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Meanwhile panic buying has started to rear it's ugly head once again. Longer than normal queues in the supermarket and shopping trolley's piled high with large boxes of tea, UHT milk, butter to freeze and toilet rolls ... here we go, start spending now :)
I was in a large super market this morning (ASDA) at around 9 am and all shelves looked well stocked. The store was fairly quiet and peoples trolleys and baskets looked to have the normal amount of goods in them. Morrisons however have started to ration a few items details here.
 
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I was in a large super market this morning (ASDA) at around 9 am and all shelves looked well stocked. The store was fairly quiet and peoples trolleys and baskets looked to have the normal amount of goods in them. Morrisons however have started to ration a few items details here.
I read yesterday they have Marshals at the doors as well ... Howdy Partner :D
 
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There you go again with your assumptions that you know better than the person on the spot! You never do.

I absolutely know I would be worse off and more stressed with one. Here's why:

Firstly I do have a perfectly good mobile phone, it lives switched off in my car for emergency use. It has the benefit of a large battery which I only need to charge once every two months at most, and that's when I also phone my home phone number to maintain the PAYG account. So no stress whatsoever doing that since I recharge all my many lithium batteries in the same sequence.

Second, that phone only cost me £12. Compare that to what most spend on Smartphones.

Third, to encourage me to use the thing more, Virgin gave me £40 on the 6th of April 2012. My two monthly phone call has reduced that to £26.05 eight and a half years later so it will certainly do the same for the rest of my life, so it's free to run.

Fourth, I consider all phones a curse and the last thing I want is to receive calls when I'm out on various activities, or make outgoing calls at those times. I have a home phone, computer and internet for such communications.

Fifth, I use cameras for my photographic purposes and Smartphone cameras are no good for most of the natural history types I do.

Sixth, there is no service a smartphone can offer that I don't already have or want or need.

Seventh, I posess a new Motorola Smartphone that a spendthrift friend gave me after he'd changed his mind and bought another instead. Since I have no signal I've never set it up fully and have already experienced enough to know I don't want it. The first disadvantage for me is that it cannot replace my car mobile since the battery, although a quite large 3000 MAh one, doesn't last as long switched off. The second disadvantage is, like all smartphones, its response to screen swipes is unreliable and unpredictable. Of course I already knew that from the very many times I've seen others lose something, then spend ages swiping to get back to where they were or where they want to go. Just to switch it right off rather than go into standby takes a varying number of attempts on this one and I can't stand equipment that doesn't work as it should.

Finally I suspect you think me an old duffer who resists progress. If you do, you couldn't be more wrong. One look at my remote controlled home which even extends to my detached and rather distant garage would dispel any such notion, as would the internet coupling of much of my home's contents where it's useful.
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Most people think I'm crazy when they see how I have my own tech set up. Two camera's on the front door and three outside, already caught two villains as a result. Not sure how many mobile devices, about ten I think, my latest is a large smart watch that runs android so it's a phone in itself complete with two cameras. I also design my own apps and my own watch faces so I can tap on the screen and make a call without the need of a mobile phone.
That's my interest though always been into high tech that was my business, I wont be downloading the covid app as Bluetooth is too easy to hack ... rarely use it myself.
 
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There you go again with your assumptions that you know better than the person on the spot! You never do.

I absolutely know I would be worse off and more stressed with one. Here's why:

Firstly I do have a perfectly good mobile phone, it lives switched off in my car for emergency use. It has the benefit of a large battery which I only need to charge once every two months at most, and that's when I also phone my home phone number to maintain the PAYG account. So no stress whatsoever doing that since I recharge all my many lithium batteries in the same sequence.

Second, that phone only cost me £12. Compare that to what most spend on Smartphones.

Third, to encourage me to use the thing more, Virgin gave me £40 on the 6th of April 2012. My two monthly phone call has reduced that to £26.05 eight and a half years later so it will probably do the same for the rest of my life, so it's free to run.

Fourth, I consider all phones a curse and the last thing I want it to receive calls when I'm out on various activities, or make outgoing calls at those times. I have a home phone, computer and internet for such communications.

Fifth, I use cameras for my photographic purposes and Smartphone cameras are no good for most of the natural history types I do.

Sixth, there is no service a smartphone can offer that I don't already have or want or need.

Seventh, I posess a new Motorola Smartphone that a spendthrift friend gave me after he'd changed his mind and bought another instead. Since I have no signal I've never set it up fully and have already experienced enough to know I don't want it. The first disadvantage for me is that it cannot replace my car mobile since the battery, although a quite large 3000 MAh one, doesn't last as long switched off. The second disadvantage is, like all smartphones, its response to screen swipes is unreliable and unpredictable. Of course I already knew that from the very many times I've seen others lose something, then spend ages swiping to get back to where they were or where they want to go. Just to switch it right off rather than go into standby takes a varying number of attempts on this one and I can't stand equipment that doesn't work as it should.

Finally I suspect you think me an old duffer who resists progress. If you do, you couldn't be more wrong. One look at my remote controlled home which even extends to my detached and rather distant garage would dispel any such notion, as would the internet coupling of much of my home's contents where it's useful.
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On the contrary, I allowed for both responses in my tongue in cheek posting .
However the situation is not dissimilar. even though I am nearly 20 years longer, i am having a growing dislike of changing my methods. The Radio is tuned to only one of a few stations, the music player ...does not get the selections changed as often. I do find the Smart phone , in my case now an elderly Samsung Galaxy, more than sufficient . the Camera is fine for say taking hardware prices , car accident events, , but not as nice as a real camera . no matter what hype is generated, the 2mm glass disc on a phone camera cannot compete with the 35mm lens on even a compact camera. .. but as they do say, the best camera is the one you have with you.
our circumstances are of course different, and having a mobile phone, while I had a son on a transplant list , was potentially a life saver.
 
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You can run any app on any phone regardless but you'll have to jump through hoops to do it, have a search online it'll tell you how.
I had a look but jail breaking to get ios 14 doesn't cover 5S - rather keep my semi limited functioning phone than risk bricking it. I've already gone through hoops to keep my ye olde 2009 MacPro OS up-to-date!

Seen secondhand iPhone 7s for less than a couple of hundred but having Track & Trace app is not high on my list of priorities even if I had latest device. As Messenger, Whatsapp and other mobile apps work just perfectly fine and link up with their desktop variants on my Mac.

Hard luck suckers from Hancock if you don't come up to govt approved spec...

 
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On the contrary, I allowed for both responses in my tongue in cheek posting .
However the situation is not dissimilar. even though I am nearly 20 years longer, i am having a growing dislike of changing my methods. The Radio is tuned to only one of a few stations, the music player ...does not get the selections changed as often. I do find the Smart phone , in my case now an elderly Samsung Galaxy, more than sufficient . the Camera is fine for say taking hardware prices , car accident events, , but not as nice as a real camera . no matter what hype is generated, the 2mm glass disc on a phone camera cannot compete with the 35mm lens on even a compact camera. .. but as they do say, the best camera is the one you have with you.
our circumstances are of course different, and having a mobile phone, while I had a son on a transplant list , was potentially a life saver.
Generally agreed, with two differences. I'm very happy to make useful changes to my methods and often do. I've just coincidentally made one only a few minutes ago to fit a sudden change in local circumstances.

And I have a spare Canon compact camera with a spare battery in my car all the time. They get recharged at the same two monthly interval as that car mobile phone, so I virtually always have a (switched off) mobile phone and camera with me.
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I consider myself fortunate in not having any mobile phone signal or adequate WiFi, so never falling victim to the ever increasingly expensive smartphone scam.

Like many millions of others who don't have a signal, despite the government's false claim of 95% coverage, plus the other few millions who don't want one anyway, I live a just as full life very happily without one.
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But how do you let other people know how well you are doing and how much fulfilment you are getting out of life without a Smartphone & Facebook App? What about quelling your FOMO? How do you do that without a Smartphone? :)
 

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But how do you let other people know how well you are doing and how much fulfilment you are getting out of life without a Smartphone & Facebook App? What about quelling your FOMO? How do you do that without a Smartphone? :)
I don't belong to or use any social media sites and as for FOMO, I really don't want to know what they get up to, dirty beasts.

I'm involved in activities along with like minded people, much more communicative than peering at and tapping a 5 or 6" screen. I'm on the dozen strong committee of an organisation assisting the Borough Council in running our nature reserve. We have around 40 volunteers assisting us, some 240 paying members we meet regularly in the reserve and communications through our website etc with some 100,000 plus local residents and even a few in various parts of mainland Europe.

We provide a species identification service for all local people and provide a website page for their photos of all that they spot of interest, plus a photo competition with prizes up to £50. We distribute a monthly news sheet and conduct a number of monthly nature walks that anyone can access free. We also provide a term time nature walk service for local primary schools, our chairperson being an retired teacher from one of them, and we have an annual Summer holidays bug hunt with an entymologist and myself identifying finds for any local 5 to 10 year olds accompanied by a parent or guardian.

So I don't need or want facebook or the like, I live a real life.
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I had a look but jail breaking to get ios 14 doesn't cover 5S - rather keep my semi limited functioning phone than risk bricking it. I've already gone through hoops to keep my ye olde 2009 MacPro OS up-to-date!

Seen secondhand iPhone 7s for less than a couple of hundred but having Track & Trace app is not high on my list of priorities even if I had latest device. As Messenger, Whatsapp and other mobile apps work just perfectly fine and link up with their desktop variants on my Mac.

Hard luck suckers from Hancock if you don't come up to govt approved spec...

This stinks in so many ways.

They could have discussed and explained the need to be on at least IOS 13.5 months ago. By so doing, no-one would now be surprised. Disappointed and rather annoyed, maybe. But aware. And with sufficient warning to plan on what to do.

I'd be especially annoyed if I had saved my pennies to upgrade my phone (e.g. from an ancient 4 to a 6) and now it looks like a waste of those precious coins.

Hancock advising people to upgrade within weeks, possibly days, of the new iPhone models being launched. With the attendant price changes to existing phones.

The age 16 limit. As if no-one under 16 could be in contact with Covid-19, nor pass it on. (Given the Apple family features, could they not have allowed the data collection and then communicated with "parents", if there is any reason to do so?)
 

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There you go again with your assumptions that you know better than the person on the spot! You never do.

I absolutely know I would be worse off and more stressed with one. Here's why:

Firstly I do have a perfectly good mobile phone, it lives switched off in my car for emergency use. It has the benefit of a large battery which I only need to charge once every two months at most, and that's when I also phone my home phone number to maintain the PAYG account. So no stress whatsoever doing that since I recharge all my many lithium batteries in the same sequence.

Second, that phone only cost me £12. Compare that to what most spend on Smartphones.

Third, to encourage me to use the thing more, Virgin gave me £40 on the 6th of April 2012. My two monthly phone call has reduced that to £26.05 eight and a half years later so it will certainly do the same for the rest of my life, so it's free to run.

Fourth, I consider all phones a curse and the last thing I want is to receive calls when I'm out on various activities, or make outgoing calls at those times. I have a home phone, computer and internet for such communications.

Fifth, I use cameras for my photographic purposes and Smartphone cameras are no good for most of the natural history types I do.

Sixth, there is no service a smartphone can offer that I don't already have or want or need.

Seventh, I possess a new Motorola Smartphone that a spendthrift friend gave me after he'd changed his mind and bought another instead. Since I have no signal I've never set it up fully and have already experienced enough to know I don't want it. The first disadvantage for me is that it cannot replace my car mobile since the battery, although a quite large 3000 MAh one, doesn't last as long switched off. The second disadvantage is, like all smartphones, its response to screen swipes is unreliable and unpredictable. Of course I already knew that from the very many times I've seen others lose something, then spend ages swiping to get back to where they were or where they want to go. Just to switch it right off rather than go into standby takes a varying number of attempts on this one and I can't stand equipment that doesn't work as it should.

Finally I suspect you think me an old duffer who resists progress. If you do, you couldn't be more wrong. One look at my remote controlled home which even extends to my detached and rather distant garage would dispel any such notion, as would the internet coupling of much of my home's contents where it's useful.
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You are of course in excellent company flecc , an ancestor of mine invented the telephone and was quoted as saying this

"Bell considered his invention an intrusion on his real work as a scientist and refused to have a telephone in his study.


He was an awkward
B*****r..... unlike me.....
And not so good looking :rolleyes:

TBH he is the spitting image of my Grandfather, but then the Bell Clan all look alike
Don't say it, we know....
 
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