Brexit, for once some facts.

oyster

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Who needs a second wave when we still have the first?
Bizarre that we see this:

Covid-19 new cases and deaths will remain high for weeks, warn UK health leaders
Scientists predict 43 to 84 people will still be dying from Covid-19 every day by mid-August
(The grammar is crap. It is us who will still be counting the dying, those individual people won't still be dying.)
 

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This BLAME crap is out of control. I hope Hamilton won’t be making a fool of himself by crawling around on his knees at the Grand Prix this coming weekend. He just needs to focus on making sure the car is facing forwards and that his foot is planted firmly on the throttle pedal. That’s his job and he’s very good at it.
I was have been an ardent follower from the beginning of his career until the first GP this year. I haven't even been bothered to look on Google to see what's going on. Politics should stay out of sport. As soon as they bring it in, I'm no longer interested.
 
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There's been investigations galore over the months and years in the US concerning voter fraud and the general consensus is it's bunkum. What you have to consider is the size of the population, how many vote and then how many cases of fraud there are, the numbers are there alright but they are miniscule. Look into it deeply enough and you can see for yourself state for state the real figure is very low indeed.
There's probably more fraud going on here during one of our own elections that in the US, it's easier here anyone can fiddle a bit of paper but overall it makes no difference. In Trump's case all he has to do is turn up and he's laughing .. four more years.
There wasn't really a need to do voter fraud in the USA before. This year will be different. Some are predicting civil war after the election.
 

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If they (whichever lot) were that capable of implementing big scale voter fraud, we have to ask:

a) How come DT got in?
b) How come HC didn't get in? Despite get the most votes.

Also, remember that DT himself has used postal voting.

From what I have read, the fraud is currently being implemented by making it difficult to impossible for some sections to vote at all.
He took them by surprise, just like the Brexit vote. In both cases, they thought they had done enough, but in both cases they underestimated the normal people.
 

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I'm no expert on the US Electoral system but as I understand it and in simple terms, once a Candidate has enough votes they are elected as President. The final outcome when all votes are counted is irrelevant as the President has by then been decided which is what happened to Clinton. Paradoxically normal people did decide, they decided they wanted her but their voting system didn't allow it. Instead the gun toting right-wing loonies got their way and the end result is what we see today, a country ruined by a nutcase who can't even spell.

If you give it some thought their voting system is open to what could be called " legitimate fraud " as surly it's possible to count up all Republican states votes first and declare their candidate the winner.
There's not much doubt Trump is the most unpopular President there's even been so if he's re-elected, as with Clinton it will be by dubious means ... can't be good for America.
 
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Much depends on how you look at things
From the FT
Japan gives UK six weeks to strike a post-Brexit trade deal: FT
From the Sun
BRITAIN will sign the first post-Brexit trade deal within weeks after talks with Japan.

The discussions, in the wake of 40-plus years of being tied to the European Union, were carried out at breakneck speed.

My view

What have they told us we had to give up, and how much "Sovereignty" has this cost us? :cool:
 
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I'm no expert on the US Electoral system but as I understand it and in simple terms, once a Candidate has enough votes they are elected as President. The final outcome when all votes are counted is irrelevant.
There are good historical reasons for their mad system; horse travel over the union was very slow. It became absurd in the early 20th century. First past the post here is bad enough; we have had several governments since the war where the opposition had more votes. At least it means there is a clear 'representative' MP for every constituency (*). The US's electoral college system is completely wrong. It is even more distorted, particularly with some states where ALL college members come from the winner with the small majority. Further, the object of that election is to choose an individual president, not to choose a set of representatives.

I wasn't in US for the 2008 hanging shard election, but was there through the Florida counting aftermath. An additional distortion of the electoral college system is the power the political governor (**) of each state has in disputed questions.

(*) I don't agree politically with our MP, but he has been excellent at clearing some things up for a couple of friends.

(**) possibly even related to one of the candidates
 
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RossG

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There are good historical reasons for their mad system; horse travel over the union was very slow. It became absurd in the early 20th century. First past the post here is bad enough; we have had several governments since the war where the opposition had more votes. At least it means there is a clear 'representative' MP for every constituency (*). The US's electoral college system is completely wrong. It is even more distorted, particularly with some states where ALL college members come from the winner with the small majority. Further, the object of that election is to choose an individual president, not to choose a set of representatives.

I wasn't in US for the 2008 hanging shard election, but was there through the Florida counting aftermath. An additional distortion of the electoral college system is the power the political governor (**) of each state has in disputed questions.

(*) I don't agree politically with our MP, but he has been excellent at clearing some things up for a couple of friends.

(**) possibly even related to one of the candidates
I was going to mention Florida in my post but thought better of it, another can of worms .. or is it nest of vipers :(
 
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Junk food companies spend millions more advertising than preventative health budgets.

 

oyster

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Junk food companies spend millions more advertising than preventative health budgets.

I strongly suspect the advertising budget of DFS (SCS, Sofology, Furniture Village, Oak Furnitureland, Ikea, Lovesofas, etc.) also massively outspends any positive advertising. No wonder so many couch potatoes...

Rather than increasing health advertising spend, how about a big tax on advertising?

I'm not against the "let people find it" type of advertising. The immense increase in heavy push advertising is appalling. Not just food, sofas, but gambling, etc.
 

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Lots of very poor assumptions behind a multi-wave model. Not least, that even in previous epidemics/pandemics the waves are real and inherent to the disease rather than artifices caused by many factors.

Months ago it was very clearly highlighted that multiple occupancy dwellings was a very significant factor in covid-19. No surprise that the worst issues seem to be in areas with high levels of multiple occupancy. (Not necessarily anything worse than several people of the same family living together. It doesn't need further aggravating factors like bed-shares, etc., to be an important factor.)
Infections up by 845 but "the government again today said it would not reveal the death toll". Isnt it great to live in a country where Hancock decide how much we are allowed to know about the deadliest pandemic in living memory.

Edit - govt reversed decision this evening, 83 deaths up from 53 last Thursday- hours after boris said "the uk has made massive progress cutting coronavirus deaths". Comical Ali has nothing on this bunch of twats

Further edit - yesterday ONS in mirror online said 83 deaths. Now most local publications say 38 deaths. I guess 50 deaths one way or another are irrelevant, it's hardly as much as a 7/7 bombing
 
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