Brexit, for once some facts.

[Barry Shittpeas]

Just read this on the BBC. Can I run it by you OG? Anything to add?


Flushing the toilet with the lid up creates a cloud of spray that can be breathed in and may spread infection, such as coronavirus, say researchers.
Chinese scientists calculate that flushing can propel a plume of spray up and out of the toilet bowl, reaching head height and beyond.
Droplets can travel up to 3ft - or 91cm - from ground level, according to the computer model used by the scientists from Yangzhou University

 

[oyster]

Getting back to tornadoes, as we were discussing, just had one this afternoon, within a very few miles - like two or three.

Tornado causes damage to 24 homes in Pembrokeshire
A tornado causes damage to 24 homes in Pembrokeshire, taking the roofs off six.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02gwm27

(The claimed video clip is not available! I imagine it will be later.)

 

[oldgroaner]

Just read this on the BBC. Can I run it by you OG? Anything to add?


Flushing the toilet with the lid up creates a cloud of spray that can be breathed in and may spread infection, such as coronavirus, say researchers.
Chinese scientists calculate that flushing can propel a plume of spray up and out of the toilet bowl, reaching head height and beyond.
Droplets can travel up to 3ft - or 91cm - from ground level, according to the computer model used by the scientists from Yangzhou University

There is in fact or was a British standard splash test intended to ensure that there was minimum splash generation during the flushing cycle
The main British standard was BS 6456, the form of testing was to put a sheet of a suitable card over the rim of the pan and count the number of droplets 1.5mm or more in diameter in a 50mm diameter circle circle. 3 droplets was considered a fail.
High level cisterns were obviously the worst offenders and restrictors were fitted at the conection to the back of the pan
No testing was done for rising vapour
Frankly such a result as the computer suggests seem most unlikely with European style water trap closets, as the flush patterns are curving paths intended to exert a downward force to empty the pan.
Conventionally flushing with the seat down is the most usual practice and confers the advantage of deflecting the airflow sideways and down
However with these "Squat pans" in use in many countries of the world
They appear to me to be a real and present danger!

I have certainly seem spray rise from these when under test for the export marked (our's were of course Vitreous China not stainless)

but the principle is of course the same, and remember Bidets often have ascending sprays as well as douche jets, and they usually have a thermostatically controlled warm spray, from which you can see water vapour rising in a cold room as was the case in our testing area.
That sounds dangerous to me!
However for the ultimate weapon we have to give that award to the
Japanese pan come bidet with not only an ascending spray, but a blower to dry you as well!!!

Banzai indeed!

Can you imagine? there should be something like a
"Boris Johnson award for lethality"

For the the design team that came up with that Doomsday weapon.

Definitely Kamikaze in the sense of a "Divine wind"

 

[Woosh]

Once again neither I nor the Swedish government have mentioned herd immunity as a target, indeed I've twice dismissed it.

Anders Tegnell is the architect o the Swedish strategy. He is quoted here:

https://www.newstatesman.com/world/europe/2020/06/how-sweden-s-herd-immunity-strategy-has-backfired

He speaks frequently of “herd immunity” as a hopeful by-product of the strategy, though not its aim. In April, Tegnell said he hoped herd immunity would be achieved by May.

it has of course failed.

 

[oldgroaner]

Anders Tegnell is the architect o the Swedish strategy. He is quoted here:

https://www.newstatesman.com/world/europe/2020/06/how-sweden-s-herd-immunity-strategy-has-backfired



it has of course failed.

Shouldn't he be called "Enders"?

 

[flecc]

Anders Tegnell is the architect o the Swedish strategy. He is quoted here:

https://www.newstatesman.com/world/europe/2020/06/how-sweden-s-herd-immunity-strategy-has-backfired

Already seen, hence my knowing "not its aim", just as I posted.

That link wording isn't Sweden's, it's just the media mischief again. As ever, I stick to the facts and not the hysteria.
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[RossG]

Anders Tegnell is the architect o the Swedish strategy. He is quoted here:

https://www.newstatesman.com/world/europe/2020/06/how-sweden-s-herd-immunity-strategy-has-backfired



it has of course failed.

That's funny Woosh I went to post that very same page earlier on but somehow messed it up ... see great minds do think alike

 

[Woosh]

Already seen, hence my knowing "not its aim", just as I posted.

That link wording isn't Sweden's, it's just the media mischief again. As ever, I stick to the facts and not the hysteria.
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I noticed your choice of words and I guessed you would have looked it up before answering. The point is, although the economic cost of lockdown is about £5 millions per fatality plus possibly 3 people losing their jobs, we are not mentally prepared to accept a potentially large number of fatalities without lockdown.

 

[RossG]

Let's not forget the economy will eventually recover and bounce back, dead bodies won't. Now that covid is finally on the wane we are all emerging from our bunkers saying how we would have done it differently.
During it's peak most of us kept our heads down and let others face it on our behalf, I myself hid along with my partner because I knew no one would be able to do much for me anyway.
Now it's receding it's easy for me sitting behind a keyboard to say how I would have got it right if it had been down to me, but would I ?

 

[flecc]

I noticed your choice of words and I guessed you would have looked it up before answering. The point is, although the economic cost is about £5 millions per fatality plus possibly 3 people losing their jobs, we are not mentally prepared to accept that potentially large number of fatalities without lockdown.

It's not without lockdown, there's still the voluntary actions of employers and individuals from the guidance, which, as I've posted, would greatly increase as the death rate rose and fear started to play a greater part. It's without the compulsion which only has limited effectiveness and can even provoke opposition.

The public acceptance is still supposition though, let's see the final outcome, they don't always follow the predictions since there's so many variables

And new treatments like dexamethasone and a vaccine if found could seriously upset all the predictions since Sweden is still at a quite early stage with a long way to go.
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[Woosh]

dexamethasone would reduce the fatalities by about 10%. The kill rate of CV is still about 1%. Only an effective vaccine could replace lockdown.

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

There is in fact or was a British standard splash test intended to ensure that there was minimum splash generation during the flushing cycle
The main British standard was BS 6456, the form of testing was to put a sheet of a suitable card over the rim of the pan and count the number of droplets 1.5mm or more in diameter in a 50mm diameter circle circle. 3 droplets was considered a fail.
High level cisterns were obviously the worst offenders and restrictors were fitted at the conection to the back of the pan
No testing was done for rising vapour
Frankly such a result as the computer suggests seem most unlikely with European style water trap closets, as the flush patterns are curving paths intended to exert a downward force to empty the pan.
Conventionally flushing with the seat down is the most usual practice and confers the advantage of deflecting the airflow sideways and down
However with these "Squat pans" in use in many countries of the world
They appear to me to be a real and present danger!

I have certainly seem spray rise from these when under test for the export marked (our's were of course Vitreous China not stainless)

but the principle is of course the same, and remember Bidets often have ascending sprays as well as douche jets, and they usually have a thermostatically controlled warm spray, from which you can see water vapour rising in a cold room as was the case in our testing area.
That sounds dangerous to me!
However for the ultimate weapon we have to give that award to the
Japanese pan come bidet with not only an ascending spray, but a blower to dry you as well!!!

Banzai indeed!

Can you imagine? there should be something like a
"Boris Johnson award for lethality"

For the the design team that came up with that Doomsday weapon.

Definitely Kamikaze in the sense of a "Divine wind"

‘Thank you for the comprehensive reply. I may be an idiot, but I’m not daft enough to assume that a seemingly mundane article such as a toilet isn’t a fete of engineering principles.

 

[jonathan.agnew]

‘Thank you for the comprehensive reply. I may be an idiot, but I’m not daft enough to assume that a seemingly mundane article such as a toilet isn’t a fete of engineering principles.

and that's before entering the world of right handed baby blakes and macerators (on sailboats a key creature comfort)

How to restore a Baby Blake sea head

CB’s art editor restores the original Baby Blake sea head on his 8-ton Gauntlet From CB334. To subscribe to CB, click here. I had removed my Baby Blake sea head from my 1951 8-tonne Gauntlet over 10 years ago, to replace it with a modern design. Now that this was not working, it […]

www.classicboat.co.uk

 

[oldgroaner]

‘Thank you for the comprehensive reply. I may be an idiot, but I’m not daft enough to assume that a seemingly mundane article such as a toilet isn’t a fete of engineering principles.

And a pretty comprehensive catalogue of "Wrong uns" along the way too!

 

[oyster]

he is in with a chance, anything to divert the public attention from this government's record.

we have Captain Sir Tom Moore, why not Sir Marcus Rashford?

And Sir Keir Starmer. (Sorry, I still think it amusing.)

 

[Nev]

Interesting article regarding battery technology and electric vehicles.

How Elon Musk aims to revolutionise battery technology

Could the least exciting bit of Elon Musk's empire end up being the most transformative?

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[oldgroaner]

and that's before entering the world of right handed baby blakes and macerators (on sailboats a key creature comfort)

How to restore a Baby Blake sea head

CB’s art editor restores the original Baby Blake sea head on his 8-ton Gauntlet From CB334. To subscribe to CB, click here. I had removed my Baby Blake sea head from my 1951 8-tonne Gauntlet over 10 years ago, to replace it with a modern design. Now that this was not working, it […]

www.classicboat.co.uk

Or the jet flush systems, wash offs where the stools are done onto a dry area for inspection for tapeworms, or the vacuum evacuation typres or dry sealing into continuous plastic tape that produces degradable plastic effluent capsules.
And I did spare you the chemical and self composting systems too

 

[oyster]

Interesting article regarding battery technology and electric vehicles.

How Elon Musk aims to revolutionise battery technology

Could the least exciting bit of Elon Musk's empire end up being the most transformative?

www.bbc.co.uk

Also noticed an article the other day about the possibility of a sodium-based cell. Not as in sodium-sulphur or whatever, but close to a direct replacement for lithium. If it does come into being, cost should plummet as there is quite a bit of available sodium.

 

[Danidl]

All irrelevant to what I've been posting and completely missing the point.

Your simplistic view of economics ignores the very real and sometimes lasting damage done to peoples lives by our measures. The economy versus Covid, personal and national, is very much about a balance of loss, one form against another, and we've engaged in that judgement just as much as Sweden

We all have our view on where that balance should be and your lectures about things I know at least as well as you won't alter mine one iota.
.

I have three of my children working , two in what were viewed as essential and the other in what I would term ephemeral. I am very sure that many many businesses will not survive this recovery , particularly in the travel tourism , hospitality sectors Insurance companies . These were discussions I had with my financial services qualified son LAST MARCH. But many others will thrive ...IT etc... . So not as simplistic
Now according to London live the traffic on the London underground is 10% in May of what it was last March. ..That is one of the strongest indicators that Londoners are are abiding by social distancing common sense ..and their sense of survival . This is why current rates of infection are lower.

 

[flecc]

Now according to London live the traffic on the London underground is 10% in May of what it was last March. ..That is one of the strongest indicators that Londoners are are abiding by social distancing common sense ..and their sense of survival . This is why current rates of infection are lower.

No Danidl, that is not their personal behaviour I'm speaking of, that is simply their "working" from home or just being laid off, meaning they are not commuting on the underground. Same for the buses.

After all, nobody in their right mind is going to spend all that time off work in the weeks of marvellous weather we've been having, travelling in the underground.

It's what the 90% have been doing when not in the underground you've conveniently ignored, so please stop wrongly guessing about what is happening under my nose here.

The rates of infection are currently much lower because we took a very big double size hit at first, a simple matter of sooner or later for the more vulnerable in our crowded city. You really are a very slow learner.
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