Brexit, for once some facts.
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Maybe he wants the money to do an Oswald Mosley, set up a right wing private army to demonstrate and fight against all that he disagrees with and push for us to just walk out of the EU without an agreement.
After all, he disagrees that we are on course for Brexit and he's right of course, the withdrawal agreement is nothing of the sort and the Great Repeal Bill leaves us permanently under EU law.
And if we give in on the trade negotiations and continue to permit EU fishing in our waters to continue providing services to the EU, he'll be even more right.
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Take back control. Part the hundred and fifty ninth. Or is the government worried that the information would be damaging?
The European commission has launched an app and website providing travellers with real-time information about the rules and the status of the coronavirus infection in each European country, in an attempt to restart tourism in Europe as the lockdowns lift.
A commission spokesman said the UK had not been included in the interactive tool as the government had not requested it but that it was welcome to do so.
The spokesman said:
The platform provides a one-stop shop offering information on the status of borders, available means of transport, travel restrictions, public health and safety measures such as on physical distancing or wearing of face masks.
Thierry Breton, the commissioner for the internal market, said:
After weeks of confinement, EU internal borders are reopening. The Re-open EU website we are launching today will provide travellers with easy access to information to help them confidently make their travel plans and stay safe during their trip.
It will also help small restaurant and hotel owners, as well as towns across Europe, draw inspiration from innovative solutions developed by others.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/jun/15/coronavirus-live-news-beijing-enters-extraordinary-period-as-it-races-to-contain-new-covid-19-outbreak
The European commission has launched an app and website providing travellers with real-time information about the rules and the status of the coronavirus infection in each European country, in an attempt to restart tourism in Europe as the lockdowns lift.
A commission spokesman said the UK had not been included in the interactive tool as the government had not requested it but that it was welcome to do so.
The spokesman said:
The platform provides a one-stop shop offering information on the status of borders, available means of transport, travel restrictions, public health and safety measures such as on physical distancing or wearing of face masks.
Thierry Breton, the commissioner for the internal market, said:
After weeks of confinement, EU internal borders are reopening. The Re-open EU website we are launching today will provide travellers with easy access to information to help them confidently make their travel plans and stay safe during their trip.
It will also help small restaurant and hotel owners, as well as towns across Europe, draw inspiration from innovative solutions developed by others.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/jun/15/coronavirus-live-news-beijing-enters-extraordinary-period-as-it-races-to-contain-new-covid-19-outbreak
it seems we are moving in that direction.
I don't think we have any alternative.
The EU has probably calculated that it doesn't matter if we do walk out since our loss will be the greatest. The convenient thing for all the governments involved is that they can blame any economic loss on the Covid-19 measures, keeping Brexit negotiating failures out of it.
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On March 17th I posted that after the Sainsburys truck chase the 8 toilet rolls I just bought should last me three months, hence your above comment.
I've just installed the last of the eight rolls, so with three months up in two days time I will easily exceed that target.
Show this to the wife!
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This is an old post I know, but as an active 84 year old I have to disagree. There are limits to what the old can expect from society before we become an unacceptable burden.
The Inuit people recognised this and when their old could no longer keep up when travelling over the ice, they abandoned them to succumb to hypothermia, a pain free end of life death.
We have the capability to make deaths pain free so I see nothing wrong in this course when the burden on society of lengthening the life of an old person becomes excessive in health and care services that of necessity have limited resources.
We need to get the emotion of language like "worthless" out of the discussion to make rational decisions. We already have NICE (National Institute for Health and Care Excellence) making such decisions anyway and it's never on such emotional grounds, always only on economic practicality.
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The inevitable result of people not trusting a tracker app is that they will not install it. And if the proportion who have installed it is too small, it is ineffective.
We haven't got an app (being in testing is "no app"), far too many won't trust it, and those who read of this sort of issue will trust it even less.
Option 1) we abandon an app; 2) we at least switch away from a central storage app; 3) they try to make it compulsory.
If they try 3), they will find out what it is like when people take back control. In my view, there is no possibility of compulsion actually working. We'll forget to carry our phones, we'll switch them off or let batteries discharge or buy what we perceive as untraceable phones.
Norway suspends virus-tracing app due to privacy concerns
Smittestopp had limited effect because of the small number of users, says data agency
The app was being used by 600,000 of Norway’s 5.4 million inhabitants. Developed in Norway and downloadable on a voluntary basis, the application used centralised data storage, as is planned in France and the UK.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/15/norway-suspends-virus-tracing-app-due-to-privacy-concerns
We haven't got an app (being in testing is "no app"), far too many won't trust it, and those who read of this sort of issue will trust it even less.
Option 1) we abandon an app; 2) we at least switch away from a central storage app; 3) they try to make it compulsory.
If they try 3), they will find out what it is like when people take back control. In my view, there is no possibility of compulsion actually working. We'll forget to carry our phones, we'll switch them off or let batteries discharge or buy what we perceive as untraceable phones.
Norway suspends virus-tracing app due to privacy concerns
Smittestopp had limited effect because of the small number of users, says data agency
The app was being used by 600,000 of Norway’s 5.4 million inhabitants. Developed in Norway and downloadable on a voluntary basis, the application used centralised data storage, as is planned in France and the UK.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/15/norway-suspends-virus-tracing-app-due-to-privacy-concerns
So, no scientists at the briefing tonight. Has the government abandoned the science ,or has the science abandoned the government?
Perhaps we aren’t supposed to notice the missing scientists or the worlds second biggest pile of Coronavirus bodies and should be concentrating on statues instead.
Perhaps we aren’t supposed to notice the missing scientists or the worlds second biggest pile of Coronavirus bodies and should be concentrating on statues instead.
I heard a report last night that there were unconfirmed reports circulation around Westminster that Professor Chris Whitty and Sir Patrick Vallance had both threatened to resign if the minimum social distancing was reduced from 2m to 1m.
I wonder if the Government are trying to push the Scientists out of the picture so that if they do resign they hope it wont have much of an effect on the public because they wont have seen them for a while.
No it's something different and connected with a question you've asked in here when you've questioned the point of the BAME demonstrations and what they could achieve.
Well it seems they've achieved quite a lot. A review of the whole race situation has been announced and a government minister has stated that recommendations from some previous related reviews are going to be expedited into force. He stated that with this issue then out of the way, attention could go back to dealing with Covid-19, possibly explaining the change of briefing emphasis you observed today.
So not statues but attention to the needs of real people of different colours and backgrounds, no bad thing. If we were to reach a state of true equality in all respects for the BAME community it would slash the Covid-19 infection and death rates anyway from up to 4 times ours to the same.
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All of this BLAME BLT RNLI nonsense has blown over now. It was just a scapegoat used to excuse personal failure.
More importantly, the government want it to rumble on so we look in that direction and not in the direction of the dead bodies and scientific advisors abandoning them.
Dominic Raab says public can expect different experts at Downing Street briefings
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Apparently the Contracts have been awarded to Dr Bunsen Honeydew and Beaker from the Muppets
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Apparently the Contracts have been awarded to Dr Bunsen Honeydew and Beaker from the Muppets
both statements can be true at the same time.
Government says it's led by science but not does understand it. Those advising the government will try their utmost to avoid blame when the inevitable s*** hits the fan in the second wave this winter.
Despite his many very obvious failings our PM does have some skills. Maybe puppeteer is one of them? He should give up his current job for which he is so unsuited and try his hand at that.
The scientists have been set up as the fall guys since day one. I suppose if they now melt into the background, there is no one to question and hold to account. All accountability can be pinned on “the science” which will be like vapour, you can kind of see it and feel it’s presence, but if you study it for more than a few seconds, it vanishes. A bit like the Prime Minister.
He makes a very good job of being a spineless cowardly idiot too, don’t sell him short.
Experts who say what the politicans want them to say.
I can see our beaches are getting much busier now...
