Brexit, for once some facts.

flecc

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Saying it twice doesn’t make the statement any less nonsensical or any less akin to garbage.

We are poles apart on this.
Colston's life was the notable historical event.

Erecting a statue is not a notable historic event, it is just workmen performing a function, no more significant than digging up a gas main or sweeping the street.

Just as a mob removing the statue is not a notable significant historical event, it's unlikely to appear in any future history books. It's just news of a current civil disorder.

The endemic racism that gave rise to that and similar acts around the world will be in the history books, it already is.
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On May 16 th vfr400 wrote "You're going to look very silly shortly. I'm bookmarking this so that I can remind you what you said and laugh my head off."
To which I responded..
"If my sillyness means that less people die, then its a folly I would gladly accept. Unfortunately my track record has been depressingly accurate. As of tonight the USA has 16K in the serious critical category, and half of those or 8k ,are likely to survive. ..and of course the surge expected from anti lockdown hasn't started yet. Note that the 90K deaths will have occurred by now. Additionally it is always the case that in rising numbers at the early stages of an epidemic, the numbers are underreported.
So regrettably the USA is on track for upwards of 150K deaths over the next 3 weeks".

Normally I let things like this slide, but at the moment and because this is very important... I am not. This being the 3 weeks later.
As of today the USA admits to 115K deaths and 17K in critical care. Based on all the other global figures , I believe these are serious underestimates
 

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jonathan.agnew

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As an excuse that really is nonsense. The workmen who erected it were a part of that moment. Where's their statues?

Erecting a statue is not a historical event any more than sweeping the street was.
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Erecting a statue and keeping it often shows tacit support. Queen Victoria supported the opium wars. Which were all about the west first getting the chinese addicted to opium and then insisting on them opening their markets so that it could capitalise on this. A lot like America used poppy growing to fund the Taliban in Afghanistan. So, our culture glorifies victoria. And we keep meddling in other countries to profit from their misery. There isnt anything I think one could do to a statue of victoria that would be wrong.
 
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Barry Shittpeas

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Erecting a statue and keeping it often shows tacit support. Queen Victoria supported the opium wars. Which were all about the west first getting the chinese addicted to opium and then insisting on them opening their markets so that it could capitalise on this. A lot like America used poppy growing to fund the Taliban in Afghanistan. So, our culture glorifies victoria. And we keep meddling in other countries to profit from their misery. There isnt anything I think one could do to a statue of victoria that would be wrong.
If the U.K. is so bad, why don’t you **** off? No one will miss you.
 

jonathan.agnew

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If the U.K. is so bad, why don’t you **** off? No one will miss you.
caring about a country or community is like caring about another person: it demands honesty, sincerity - not avoiding the truth. As part of trying to make things more open, honest. It's the oppsoite of what you're doing: buying Boris lies, voting for him because you think it will reward you with a tax cut. Instead it completely fucks you as he mismanages covid. Or voting for brexit because of the petty belief that getting rid of immigrants will give you a bigger slice of a cake. When instead it makes everyone poorer. You collude with corruption out of self interest. That's not a meaningful way to live life.
PS i don't give a **** whether anyone misses me
 

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Settle down now lad's or I'll have to start talking about the weather again...in fact I will. Did you all know the UK has more tornado's than anywhere else in the world :)
 

jonathan.agnew

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Settle down now lad's or I'll have to start talking about the weather again...in fact I will. Did you all know the UK has more tornado's than anywhere else in the world :)
Settle down now lad's or I'll have to start talking about the weather again...in fact I will. Did you all know the UK has more tornado's than anywhere else in the world :)
damn. I was just working my way up to suggesting I might go and take a dump on Victoria's statue in London as an act of political liberation. I'm not really worked up. As far as I can see we are totally ******. the electorate has managed to trump the Iraq war, the suez crisis and any other clusterfuck this country managed to inflict on itself and the world before by voting for Brexit and Boris just before a global pandemic. And, as before, they haven't and wont learn anything from the experience. BUT, it is oddly liberating. There isn't a great deal else (as far as I can see) the twats could do to destroy what's left.
 

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Settle down now lad's or I'll have to start talking about the weather again...in fact I will. Did you all know the UK has more tornado's than anywhere else in the world :)
Depends what you mean by that - number per country? Not so.
 

Barry Shittpeas

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caring about a country or community is like caring about another person: it demands honesty, sincerity - not avoiding the truth. As part of trying to make things more open, honest. It's the oppsoite of what you're doing: buying Boris lies, voting for him because you think it will reward you with a tax cut. Instead it completely fucks you as he mismanages covid. Or voting for brexit because of the petty belief that getting rid of immigrants will give you a bigger slice of a cake. When instead it makes everyone poorer. You collude with corruption out of self interest. That's not a meaningful way to live life.
PS i don't give a **** whether anyone misses me
You come over as if you actually believe that poor people need your help, but they are too stupid realise it:) Here’s a news flash, nobody needs your help, nobody gives a **** who you are and if you disappear, it will make **** all difference. So, if you are so disgusted by the U.K., go somewhere else and make no difference there.
 
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jonathan.agnew

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You come over as if you actually believe that poor people need your help, but they are too stupid realise it:) Here’s a news flash, nobody needs your help, nobody gives a **** who you are and if you disappear, it will make **** all difference. So, if you are so disgusted by the U.K., go somewhere else and make no difference there.
no. I don't have that kind of patronising superior attitude (i'm not a tory). if anything I said about the electorate (who certainly seem deprived and depraved, if not, yet, financially) made you think I feel obliged to help, I am surprised. i wish them the toughest kind of tough love. Which they will get. I'm disgusted by some of the corruption that's become an endemic part of the uk and its economy/government. I guess, as a tory, you would take that badly. I mean, the conservative government embodies and depends on corruption. I can see that you'd wish anyone who challenges that would leave so that you could make that continue unnoticed.
 

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