Brexit, for once some facts.

RossG

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There's a storm broken out here on the coast that's unbelievable, the rain is deafening outside. Thunder & lightning it feels like Armageddon. ATM.
 

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The statues should remain in place appropriately updated. Colston was an evil man with no regard for human life. In 1875 we celebrated him and his deeds with a statue. In 2020 we come to recognise his wrongdoing by adding information regarding his terrible deeds to the statue. This would then provide a time-line illustrating changing attitudes across time. Hitting the delete button is a crazy act of vandalism and plays to the mob.
The process of change is incomplete as your refusal to accept that there is still extensive racism shows only too obviously.

While racism against black people still exists and still hurts, the presence of statues to such as Colston intensfies the hurt, regardless of any added explanations. They should never have been erected so to correct that they should be removed now to emphasize the social change taking place.

Leaving them in place with a mealy-mouthed explanation is rather like someone saying "What I did was very wrong, but I refuse to apologise for it".
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Barry Shittpeas

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I think it should come under the heading of "Fly tipping" and carry an appropriate punishment
Yes in addition to prosecuting the scum for Criminal Damage, I'm sure an appropriate offence concerning the disposal of the statue could be found. Perhaps the money needed to recover the statue from the sea could be taken from community project initiatives which fund and benefit those who threw it in there.
 

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There's a storm broken out here on the coast that's unbelievable, the rain is deafening outside. Thunder & lightning it feels like Armageddon. ATM.
Vfr will be along shortly with a conspiracy theory that will explain it all to us with the appropriate links to lizards disguised as human beings.
 
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Barry Shittpeas

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The process of change is incomplete as your refusal to accept that there is still extensive racism shows only too obviously.

While racism against black people still exists and still hurts, the presence of statues to such as Colston intensfies the hurt, regardless of any added explanations. They should never have been erected so to correct that they should be removed now to emphasize the social change taking place.

Leaving them in place is rather like someone saying "What I did was very wrong, but I refuse to apologise for it".
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No it isn't. It's almost like a diary of our past illustrating how people who are now dead used to act, and how people who are alive now have different views to the dead people. It's wrong to erase history on the whim of a minority of scum.

The concentration camps at Auschwitz-Birkenau have remained and show they us what dead people of that era once did. Nobody has taken a bulldozer to the camp and turned the land into a turnip field, deleting the place from history.

Deleting history is for the filth we saw on our streets at the weekend, attacking and injuring police officers. They are complete scum and if anything needs deleting it is protesters.
 

flecc

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Should we not start at the top with the biggest criminals of all time and work down ?
Indeed, and many of them achieved amazing things for one person, Hitler for example, so why no statues commemorating him?

Then there's Ghengis Khan, Alexander the Great, Tamerlane, Attila the Hun, Charlemagne, Pharoah Thutmose III of Egypt and many more before returning to more recent offenders.
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RossG

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Indeed, and many of them achieved amazing things for one person, Hitler for example, so why no statues commemorating him?

Then there's Ghengis Khan, Alexander the Great, Tamerlane, Attila the Hun, Charlemagne, Pharoah Thutmose III of Egypt and many more before returning to more recent offenders.
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Alexander the Great conqueror of most of the known world and a favourite of mine. Had an ability to rally his troops again and again, considered to be the greatest soldier ever. Queer as a clockwork orange mind but that's neither here nor there.
 
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RossG

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Can't turn the clock back, if we could I could have gone out to Tesco's before this rain started.
 

Barry Shittpeas

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It is not erasing history since these statues were erected solely to celebrate these often evil lives.

History is for recording events, not statues, and no-one has been erasing that history.
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The fact that a statue was erected to celebrate what we now understand to be an evil life is a historical event. It captures that particular moment.
 

RossG

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I did note rain on it's way but I didn't expect this, it's something else. I haven't seen it come down so hard in years, hail as well. It's weird almost eerie, visibility about 100 mtrs and that's just rain in the atmosphere.
 
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RossG

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I suppose it's like those paintings of Christians being slayed, they could hang in an art gallery or museum but would you want to witness that every time you walk through your town centre.
 

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The fact that a statue was erected to celebrate what we now understand to be an evil life is a historical event. It captures that particular moment.
As an excuse that really is nonsense. The workmen who erected it were a part of that moment. Where's their statues?

Erecting a statue is not a historical event any more than sweeping the street was.
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Barry Shittpeas

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As an excuse that really is nonsense. The workmen who erected it were a part of that moment. Where's their statues?

Erecting a statue is not a historical event any more than sweeping the street was.
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As nonsensical garbage statements go, that’s right up there.
 
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I did note rain on it's way but I didn't expect this, it's something else. I haven't seen it come down so hard in years, hail as well. It's weird almost eerie, visibility about 100 mtrs and that's just rain in the atmosphere.
The worst rain I ever experienced was outside Bath . In mid afternoon in Summer, it was not possible to see the rear fog lights or brake lights about 50 metres ahead. Of course everyone had lights on.
 
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