Brexit will work out just fine. Not one part of the doom-mongering has come true.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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if you interviewed cummings or Johnson as a potential ceo at woosh, would you give them the job? that's exactly what the majority of the electorate did. there isn't any mystery as to why we lead the world in covid 19 deaths. its a direct consequence of their decisions and actions.
Agreed.....
think what you like of Cummings but he didn`t break any law
and the following for some balance...
"Dominic Cummings broke the lockdown? Good. Welcome to the sensible minority, Dom. According to a survey published a week ago, 29 per cent of Brits have busted out of the lockdown straitjacket and done things they shouldn’t have done. I salute these people. Sensibly and carefully bending the rules to visit one’s parents, read a novel on a beach or, in Neil Ferguson’s case, to shag one’s polyamorous lover are wonderful buds of human rebellion in this dystopia we find ourselves in. It isn’t Cummings who should be ashamed – it’s the shutdown Stalinists who are calling for his head because he dared to visit his folks.
Yes, this is the story that Boris Johnson’s top adviser, the bête noire of the metropolitan middle classes, the alleged Svengali of everything that has gone wrong in this country over the past five years, drove from London to Durham with his wife when they were both ill with coronavirus. Listening to the Cummingsphobic Remoaners in the chattering classes, you could be forgiven for thinking they did this in order to cough their germs all over every motorway and lane in the land. But in reality they did it because they needed assistance with childcare, which Mr Cummings’ parents provided while Cummings and his wife stayed in a separate property close by and had shopping left on their doorstep by family members.
That’s it. That’s the scandal. They self-isolated while ill and made use of some grandparenting help. Did Cummings commit a crime? Nope. The National Police Chiefs’ Council said one of the ‘reasonable excuses’ for leaving your home in the pandemic is to ‘move house’, if that move is for ‘days, not hours’. That’s what Cummings and his family did.
Is Cummings a hypocrite? Well, possibly. There is unquestionably an issue here of rules applying to one section of society (us lot) but not to another (the political class). If Cummings has been in favour of punishing people who elect to self-isolate in a property that isn’t their normal home, then he is a hypocrite. But we don’t know if he has been in favour of that. His argument (via a Downing Street spokesman, which is probably him!) is that he did what you’re meant to do when you have the virus: self-isolate. This is different to when Neil Ferguson, despite being a vocal promoter of the necessity of lockdown, explicitly broke the lockdown rules by mixing with someone from another household.
But – and this is a huge but – even Ferguson should not have been punished for his lockdown breaking. Everyone needs to relax about this stuff. There is something really misanthropic and authoritarian in the urge to get the scalps of people who have only done very human things, and usually in a sensible, cautious way (Ferguson said he felt safe to see his lover because he had already had the virus). As spiked argued, Ferguson should really be criticised for his models, which look increasingly questionable, not for his morals.
I feel the same way about Cummings’ alleged crime as I did about Stephen Kinnock’s visit to his parents’ house (I said the police were ‘completely out of control’ when they reprimanded Kinnock), and about Ferguson’s sexual antics (I said I had ‘sympathy for Neil Ferguson’ because he only did what ‘people around the country have done: visit lovers and friends’). Using the stern, often ridiculous rules of the lockdown to bring down people you don’t like for political reasons is a very low form of behaviour.
And make no mistake: that is exactly what is happening in the Cummings story. Or non-story. This completely uneventful drive from London to Durham is being blown entirely out of proportion by furious Remoaners who loathe Cummings because they view him as the Svengali of Brexit, as the Leave mastermind, as the man who shattered their comfortable little political worlds by making the case for our exit from the EU. In their elitist and occasionally even conspiracist minds, they see Cummings as the puppetmaster of the little people’s brains who hoodwinked us into voting against our own best interests.
In that 2016 referendum, for the first time in ages, the metropolitan middle classes didn’t get their way, and they’ve been on the edge of madness ever since. Their visceral hatred for Cummings is really an unspeakable fury with democracy itself and with the temerity of the vulgar masses to vote for something that they disapprove of.
This is what this Cummings lockdown story is about. It is another act of Remoaner Revenge. It’s the embittered cultural elites seeking a Brexit scalp. It is a political vendetta disguised as concern about the pandemic. As if the lockdown wasn’t bad enough, now we have people politicising it to settle old scores. It’s this shameful, political authoritarianism, not Cummings’ careful trip to the north, that is the really shocking thing here."
theres far too much research that prove the opposite to begin to mention. as Edwards, soegaard and douch (2018) found:
"For both UK exports to the EU and those to non-EU countries, we found a clear and consistent story: from the moment of the vote, British exports fall strongly behind the projected growth had there been no Brexit vote".
The UK is relatively affluent so you may still be able to buy (an Indian) Norton and may not feel the consequences directly. But your pension fund and the fiscus does.
It is possible for a country to be successful outside the EU, examples exist, so I’m afraid that it’s you who is wrong on that score.
As for the country getting the management it deserves, that’s just the spitefulness of a very unhappy man venting his internal frustrations and sadness. I’m sorry you feel like that and hope that you’re situation improves.
yup, while feverish and surrounded by a sweaty halo of covid 19 one should really visit ones ageing, high risk parents.
some countries are (Norway, who sit on a massive amount of oil and sovereign wealth, south korea who lead the world in manufacture and export). We are not like them, demographically or ito natural resources (and no amount of trying to smear the messenger will change that).
inflation is following pretty accurately prediction.
My goodness,
appreciate the link to that..
and while you`re googling for that also where it says Mr. Cummings tested positive if you could
*waits*
Testing were not happening outside hospitals at the time. Cummings and his wife self diagnosed as having covid from symptoms. Really Tommy, you are grasping at strange straws.
Oops,.... winding our necks back in are we ?? LOL
whatever happened to the
"while feverish and surrounded by a sweaty halo of covid 19. " claim.
Show me the link please!!
you`re not really good at this are you?
whatever happened to the
"while feverish and surrounded by a sweaty halo of covid 19. " claim.
Show me the link please!!
you`re not really good at this are you?
You, Tommy, repeated the fact that Cummings and his wife drove from London to Durham "while ill with covid". That makes them contagious. It's the same herd immunity cummings who didn't mind "if some additional pensioners died" because of covid.
Err,,, no i didn`t
for balance the text i c&p from here https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/05/23/dominic-cummings-broke-the-lockdown-good/
not a fan of Cummings by any means but this tirade of abuse is not really about his lockdown misdemeanors but more political to do with cummings the architect of brexit.
"This is what this Cummings lockdown story is about. It is another act of Remoaner Revenge. It’s the embittered cultural elites seeking a Brexit scalp. It is a political vendetta disguised as concern about the pandemic. As if the lockdown wasn’t bad enough, now we have people politicising it to settle old scores. It’s this shameful, political authoritarianism, not Cummings’ careful trip to the north, that is the really shocking thing here."
for balance the text i c&p from here https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/05/23/dominic-cummings-broke-the-lockdown-good/
not a fan of Cummings by any means but this tirade of abuse is not really about his lockdown misdemeanors but more political to do with cummings the architect of brexit.
"This is what this Cummings lockdown story is about. It is another act of Remoaner Revenge. It’s the embittered cultural elites seeking a Brexit scalp. It is a political vendetta disguised as concern about the pandemic. As if the lockdown wasn’t bad enough, now we have people politicising it to settle old scores. It’s this shameful, political authoritarianism, not Cummings’ careful trip to the north, that is the really shocking thing here."
Yup. It's all about brexit. Covid as a remoaner smokescreen. Really tommy, it isnt necessary for anyone to politicise the farce that is the boris/cummings mismanagement of the pandemic.
Tommie, we don't always agree, but you make a very logical argument.
On 27 March, Downing Street confirmed that Boris Johnson and Health Secretary Matt Hancock had tested positive for coronavirus.
On 27 March Cummings seen running away from Downing St
On 30 March, Downing Street confirmed the top adviser was self-isolating at home after developing symptoms.
Sometime between 27-30 March Cummings and his wife scarpered to Durham - not sure who was well enough to drive.
Mary Wakefield wrote in spectator
My husband did rush home to look after me. He’s an extremely kind man, whatever people assume to the contrary. But 24 hours later, he said ‘I feel weird’ and collapsed. I felt breathless, sometimes achy, but Dom couldn’t get out of bed. Day in, day out for 10 days he lay doggo with a high fever and spasms that made the muscles lump and twitch in his legs. He could breathe, but only in a limited, shallow way.
After a week, we reached peak corona uncertainty. Day six is a turning point, I was told: that’s when you either get better or head for ICU. But was Dom fighting off the bug or was he heading for a ventilator? Who knew? I sat on his bed staring at his chest, trying to count his breaths per minute. The little oxygen reader we’d bought on Amazon indicated that he should be in hospital, but his lips weren’t blue and he could talk in full sentences, such as: ‘Please stop staring at my chest, sweetheart.’
Still rooting for the idiot fringe, tommie?
As you prove there is no cure for stupidity
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Only an idiot would risk them in that fashion
No reason to worry folks, in the Daily Mail so it must be true
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Coronavirus pandemic could be over in the UK by September 30: Scientific model predicts virus will continue its steady decline with NO second wave "
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Coronavirus pandemic could be over in the UK by September 30: Scientific model predicts virus will continue its steady decline with NO second wave "
This is worth a read from the BBC web site. Its about the risk of catching and dying from the virus. There is a graph from David Spiegelhalter that compares the risk of dying if you get the virus vs normal annual risk.
Coronavirus: How scared should we be?
As lockdown restrictions begin to be eased across the UK, understanding risk will be crucial.
www.bbc.co.uk