Brexit, for once some facts.

oldgroaner

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I know, where is the ****? We are in the middle of the biggest crisis since WW2 and our Prime Minister has hardly been seen. I think we’ve seen him talk to the public about 3 times in as many months. The people taking the Downing Street briefings are now a series of unknowns, who was that ginger **** presiding last night?

I suppose the one positive from Johnson’s absence is the fact that when he does appear, he tends to make things worse.

I think we should Boo for Boris, just to let them know that we believe they are doing a shite job and are displaying absolutely no leadership.
A better idea would be to have a national "mooning" a mass show of arses would be a lot more fun
 
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I think we can safely say the lockdown is unofficially at an end. Doing my usual trawl of the local online rags I see photo's showing gangs of teenagers gathering in parks & common's, one cycle trader reporting his esplanade is like a mini Amsterdam.
 

oldgroaner

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It's all very interesting stuff vfr but tbh all anyone cares about on this side of the pond is when McDonalds & Primark are reopening, seriously they do. Now if you have any secret info on that it would go viral if that's the right term to use these days.
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"Begone and take someone else's swamp with you!
Your posting has anti climaxed an already boring day" :cool:
 

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More evidence comes out every day:

Why do I keep showing you about what happened to Trump in a Brexit thread? As you'll see later, the bad guys are all connected and working together. Here's a nice little snippet from George Papadopolous, who was Trump's campaign manager and one of the targets on whom the FBI spied on and tried to dig up dirt:


Now look what he said in this interview at 33:50 and 38:26, where he mentions David Cameron!

I think I can answer your question as posed in your first sentence... You are a troll!. Now whereas the purpose of this thread is about Brexit and related peripheral matters ..ie European , would you kindly start your own thread, so we can ignore you in peace.
 

Barry Shittpeas

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I think we can safely say the lockdown is unofficially at an end. Doing my usual trawl of the local online rags I see photo's showing gangs of teenagers gathering in parks & common's, one cycle trader reporting his esplanade is like a mini Amsterdam.
I think it’s officially over. I’m sure the plan is still herd immunity, but with plenty of escape routes for the government.

We need to send all of these people on beaches and loafing around in National Parks back to work. They are taking the pi$$ out of the furlough scheme.
 

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I took my first normal walk outside yesterday since early March, I saw but one mask wearer and that was a health official. I must admit I felt a right pillock, but a safe pillock non the less.
 
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I took my first normal walk outside yesterday since early March, I saw but one mask wearer and that was a health official. I must admit I felt a right pillock, but a safe pillock non the less.
I always wear a mask for shopping but not for walking along local paths which are generally quite good.

There were quite a few mask wearers - maybe a quarter or a third of the shoppers/staff. Am continually surprised at the staff not appearing to do anything.

Picked up my prescription from Boots yesterday. They seem to be the tighest place I have been to. Strict entry control - one out/one in. Screens and barriers to keep you away from pharmacy staff. The young lady who served me was absolutely on top form of friendliness and helpfulness. But very glad I am on 84-day repeats. So many are on 28-day repeats or worse.
 

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Its just been announced on the BBC, the Government is going to scrap the NHS charge for immigrants working in our health system. Another win for KS, and common sense I think.
Despite an 80 seat majority, he has to reverse what he said just yesterday.

That shows how competent he is. It is not as if this was a difficult one to understand. Not even difficult to see that there was amounting criticism before he opened his mouth.
 
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I was just watching the daily briefing given by Matt Hancock. He said that they had been doing sample testing of who had anti bodies to the virus in areas of the UK. This showed that about 17% of Londoners have had it, so I have used this information to come up with my own rough figure for the fatality rate.

I've rounded up and down the figures just to get a rough idea, let me know if you notice any glaring errors.
The 2020 estimate for the population of London is around 9.3 million.

17% of 9.3 million is 1.6 million (rounded up).

I think there are about 6000 (rounded up) confirmed covid deaths in London. So to find the fatality rate we divide 6000 by 1.6 million and convert the answer to a percentage.

I get 0.375%

I think most of the fatality rates I have seen in the past have been in a range of 0.5 to 1% some a bit higher and some a bit lower. Does the 0.375% figure seem reasonable or have I missed out something obvious?
 

Barry Shittpeas

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I was just watching the daily briefing given by Matt Hancock. He said that they had been doing sample testing of who had anti bodies to the virus in areas of the UK. This showed that about 17% of Londoners have had it, so I have used this information to come up with my own rough figure for the fatality rate.

I've rounded up and down the figures just to get a rough idea, let me know if you notice any glaring errors.
The 2020 estimate for the population of London is around 9.3 million.

17% of 9.3 million is 1.6 million (rounded up).

I think there are about 6000 (rounded up) confirmed covid deaths in London. So to find the fatality rate we divide 6000 by 1.6 million and convert the answer to a percentage.

I get 0.375%

I think most of the fatality rates I have seen in the past have been in a range of 0.5 to 1% some a bit higher and some a bit lower. Does the 0.375% figure seem reasonable or have I missed out something obvious?
Your sums are right, but I cannot comment on your data because I don’t know. Gut feeling is your data is about right.

I suppose the virus will take the most vulnerable first, so I suppose people getting it now and into the future will generally be less likely to be killed by it. That should / could lead to that 0.375% reducing.

London’s higher number of infections and recoveries could explain why they are seeing lower transmission. Hate to say it, herd immunity!
 
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I was just watching the daily briefing given by Matt Hancock. He said that they had been doing sample testing of who had anti bodies to the virus in areas of the UK. This showed that about 17% of Londoners have had it, so I have used this information to come up with my own rough figure for the fatality rate.

I've rounded up and down the figures just to get a rough idea, let me know if you notice any glaring errors.
The 2020 estimate for the population of London is around 9.3 million.

17% of 9.3 million is 1.6 million (rounded up).

I think there are about 6000 (rounded up) confirmed covid deaths in London. So to find the fatality rate we divide 6000 by 1.6 million and convert the answer to a percentage.

I get 0.375%

I think most of the fatality rates I have seen in the past have been in a range of 0.5 to 1% some a bit higher and some a bit lower. Does the 0.375% figure seem reasonable or have I missed out something obvious?
Those are intriguing figures. Now what fraction of that 17% never felt a thing?., Did not believe they ever had been ill?. Statistics is one of the easiest thing to make a mess of. How large were the sample populations, and how were they selected?
 

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I get 0.375%

I think most of the fatality rates I have seen in the past have been in a range of 0.5 to 1% some a bit higher and some a bit lower. Does the 0.375% figure seem reasonable or have I missed out something obvious?
No you are right, and it supports what I've said, that London has been getting it right in it's faster handling of the situation. Getting it over with rather than the national policy of protracting the problem by obsessive isolation.

Against the 17% of Londoners who've caught the virus, it's 5% in the rest of the country.

If it transpires that catching Covid-19 does give some immunity, we will be well placed in London.

No masks for me, not now, not ever.
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Barry Shittpeas

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Those are intriguing figures. Now what fraction of that 17% never felt a thing?., Did not believe they ever had been ill?. Statistics is one of the easiest thing to make a mess of. How large were the sample populations, and how were they selected?
They were supposedly selected at random.
 

flecc

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Those are intriguing figures. Now what fraction of that 17% never felt a thing?., Did not believe they ever had been ill?. Statistics is one of the easiest thing to make a mess of. How large were the sample populations, and how were they selected?
I understand it was only a small trial, the main large scale one due about now.

17% against 5% sounds about right though, given London's conditions and population mix in contrast to the rest of the country.
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I think I can answer your question as posed in your first sentence... You are a troll!. Now whereas the purpose of this thread is about Brexit and related peripheral matters ..ie European , would you kindly start your own thread, so we can ignore you in peace.
I don't think I have agreed with anything vfr400 has posted here, but I don't think it any less relevant to the original topic than many of our other postings.
 

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