Brexit, for once some facts.

[flecc]

Flecc, in this topic you are out of date. The point of 5g etc is that the cells can accommodate more addresses ,and more data. I find it hard to have to agree with Sp ,but on this occasion he is with the majority.. and I say this on a day when my smart phone decided to kill its camera module.

No Danidl, I'm not out of date, just rational.

I have no need for more addresses or data since there's nothing a smartphone can do that my computer can't. I'm retired, home is for that and I don't wish to wander the streets like yet another zombie staring at a fiddly little screen doing something I couldn't do more comfortably and conveniently back home on a decent sized screen. I very rarely make a phone call of any kind. I use infinitely more useful cameras for my wildlife photography and everything else is on my computer.

I'm a very willing adopter of what is genuinely genuinely useful to me. First into phone banking, then straight into internet banking when it arrived, bought a mobile phone for the usefulness for emergency contact when travelling. But it cost me only a tenner and is PAYG and I charge the battery and make a dummy call costing pennies once every two months to keep the account and battery alive.

Eight years ago on 6/4/2012 Virgin gave me £40 credit to encourage me to use the phone more, I still have £26.80 left. Branson won't be making any fortune out of me!

So why should I spend £100 or more on a phone, plus an expensive account, having to charge every few days instead of once every two months for something I have no use for?

That would be bonkers.
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[oyster]

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Sir Patrick Vallance has told MPs that genome sequencing suggests the UK got many of its coronavirus cases from Europe, rather than China. "There was a big influx of cases probably from Italy and Spain in early March, seeded right across the country."
oldgroaner@oldgroaner

I say old chap that is jolly inconvenient please don't tell anyone
"genome sequencing suggests the UK got many of its coronavirus cases from Europe, rather than China.
How could that happen after we "Took control of our borders with Brexit"?

We already knew of the much-hyped chap on skiing holiday. We already knew of many cases from people returning from Italy. Was the big theme some weeks/months ago.

How many came from Madrid via Liverpool?

How many Cheltenham vistors came from Europe?

Does Europe include Ireland?

 

[oyster]

So why should I spend £100 or more on a phone, plus an expensive account, having to charge every few days instead of once every two months for something I have no use for?

Interesting to consider whether an account is needed!

Bluetooth doesn't need a SIM, does it? Hmmm...

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

Just for a very rare phone call 2G would be enough. I really do not have a use for a smartphone, unlike so many it seems I don't when out have a desperate need for some information I can get from my computer when back at home, and being retired I'm frequently enough back at home. And there's so many dead spots in my area I frequently couldn't even get it if i wanted to

And using a couple of decent cameras for my mainly wildlife photography I have no use for that phone facility with its many limitations.
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That’s just changed, you now have use for a smart phone in the fight against Coronavirus.

 

[Woosh]

That’s just changed, you now have use for a smart phone in the fight against Coronavirus.

the track and trace time has gone some time ago.

 

[wheeler]

Just for a very rare phone call 2G would be enough. I really do not have a use for a smartphone, unlike so many it seems I don't when out have a desperate need for some information I can get from my computer when back at home, and being retired I'm frequently enough back at home. And there's so many dead spots in my area I frequently couldn't even get it if i wanted to

And using a couple of decent cameras for my mainly wildlife photography I have no use for that phone facility with its many limitations.
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What I meant was that smartphone features and abilities other than calling and SMS require a data connection which is dire on 2g.

I agree on phone cameras, phones are the wrong shape, and can't be held steady, there still isn't a good optical telephoto lens on a phone.
The only saving grace comes from the old expression of "the best camera is the one you have" and as so many people carry smartphones, we get many poor photos rather than no photos.

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

So, “the science” has now discovered that a face mask offers protection! How long has it taken them to work that one out?

 

[Woosh]

Interesting to consider whether an account is needed!

Bluetooth doesn't need a SIM, does it? Hmmm...

they use your phone number as primary index.

 

[flecc]

Have been looking at them and trying to understand quite what the inside ear microphone does? Most such devices don't seem to have one.

The inside ear microphone is probably used to make sure the AirPod is sealed into your ear properly and that no ambient noise is “leaking“ in.

To explain for you both, noise reduction uses an inside microphone to check what you are hearing. It then compares that with the incoming signal, music or whatever, to deduce the difference, i.e. the unwelcome noise. It then adds that noise at it's same volume but in reverse phase, thus cancelling only the noise and leaving the signal unsullied.

You see even we 84 year olds can be tech whiz kids!
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[wheeler]

So, “the science” has now discovered that a face mask offers protection! How long has it taken them to work that one out?

About a week, since Nicola Sturgeon suggested the use of face coverings in situations where social distancing wasn't possible.

 

[Danidl]

Pushing back the start, at least in Europe:

French hospital discovers Covid-19 case from December
Man found to have had virus a month before government confirmed first cases
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/04/french-hospital-discovers-covid-19-case-december-retested

“He was sick for 15 days and infected his two children, but not his wife, who works in a supermarket,” he said.

They suggest he might have got it from his wife. I don't know how they can have any certainty that he infected the children rather than her?

It is highly intriguing, and if anything adds credence to a non Wuhan origin. If he presented in hospital on 27th. , He probably contracted it on 15th..of even earlier, since you don't go to hospital with the first sniffle,and certainly not around Christmas.
These dates are important

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

Especially if the app has absolutely nothing to do with Cummings or any of his scum associates

This is the problem and it poses the biggest risk to the App’s failure. The reputation / track record of those controlling the data is poor. They have a reputation for misusing personal data.

For the App to work a minimum of 50%, preferably 80% of the population needs to download it. With the government’s reputation, that us a big ask, perhaps too big.

Again, the U.K. government is swimming against the tide with this App. It is only one of three governments in the world, harvesting the App data to a central government server. Every other country is using a decentralised approach, where the data never leaves the owner’s phones. Given the justified mistrust of the Prime Minister and his government hench men, this decentralised approach would give a better chance of increased take up.

I will download and use the App, because fighting Coronavirus is more important. But I fear the government have ****** this up along with everything else they have touched.

 

[flecc]

The only saving grace comes from the old expression of "the best camera is the one you have" and as so many people carry smartphones, we get many poor photos rather than no photos.

True, but when away my car is with me and a previously used Canon SX260 compact sits in a centre console box always available and very competent at producing good photos. That gets charged two monthly like the phone that's also in the car.
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[Barry Shittpeas]

We’ve only gone and done it! We have officially achieved the highest Coronavirus death toll in Europe and currently stand at number 2 in the world. Back if the net!

 

[flecc]

We’ve only gone and done it! We have officially achieved the highest Coronavirus death toll in Europe and currently stand at number 2 in the world. Back if the net!

That's always us, best at being worst.
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[oyster]

To explain for you both, noise reduction uses an inside microphone to check what you are hearing. It then compares that with the incoming signal, music or whatever, to deduce the difference, i.e. the unwelcome noise. It then adds that noise at it's same volume but in reverse phase, thus cancelling only the noise and leaving the signal unsullied.

You see even we 84 year olds can be tech whiz kids!
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I don't get that.

Most similar devices do NOT have an inside microphone. They use their outside microphone(s) to sense environmental noise, and add generated anti-noise to the signal supplied to the sound element.

Nothing can detect what I am hearing. I could be 100% deaf, or (as is really the case) have notches in my hearing. No hardware can "know" that.

 

[oyster]

It is highly intriguing, and if anything adds credence to a non Wuhan origin. If he presented in hospital on 27th. , He probably contracted it on 15th..of even earlier, since you don't go to hospital with the first sniffle,and certainly not around Christmas.
These dates are important

They also lend some credence to the "I had the worst cough/flu I've ever had. Could it have been covid-19?" posts - which seemed to date from early January onwards - getting the answer "Yes!"

Although they are saying we have reliable antibody tests, I am not aware of significant deployment. Yes, there has been muttering about randomised testing.

 

[vfr400]

That's very true, but thankfully John Durham is on to them. The guys that made the fake dossier aren't sleeping well at the moment, neither are the guys that signed the FISA warrants.That's not even the tip of the iceberg. The paper and money trail goes all the way round to Hillary Clinton. Durham promised results by the end of this month. I think they're going to be quite exciting.

The Bidens are in trouble too:

Remember this. Since then, a massive amount of new evidence has been unearthed, showing that that wasn't the tip of the iceberg. John Durham has found all sorts of things, which has meant that he had to expand his team recently to follow all the different trails, and that has slowed him down a bit.

We can now see that the main crime was that the guys at the top of the FBI were out to get Trump. Some evidence points to them getting their orders or approval from Obama, but my guess is that whilst obama might have given the nod, Hillary Clinton is the one behind it all, as she had the most to gain. Insiders are saying that Durham will make his first report before the election kicks off. We can expect indictments. I can imagine that none of these bad guys are sleeping very well at the moment.

This story has been better than any best seller - and it's real. Like all the best stories, the bad guys turned out to be stupid and they get dealt their just desserts by the good guys. Their arrogance was their downfall.

Sean Hannity makes a good summary of the situation today if you want to get up to speed on this:

My next prediction is that unless Hillary gets nailed, it'll be her up against Trunp, not Biden.

 

[oyster]

We’ve only gone and done it! We have officially achieved the highest Coronavirus death toll in Europe and currently stand at number 2 in the world. Back if the net!

Ah but you are using figures from now. We should wait until it is all over, so they say, before awarding the FA Cup.

(FA not meaning Football Association.)

 

[oldgroaner]

You see even we 84 year olds can be tech whiz kids!
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It's thinking like that has got us where we are today!

Oh, er, hang on a minute I used to be one of those, but these days it's much safer to say
It wasn't me!
(But I won't do it again!
Especially for someone who worked somewhere that he he is not supposed to remember he did!

Especially when Boris and co are bound to come looking for scapegoats using dodgy tracing Apps