Brexit, for once some facts.

Nev

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I thought Gilead shares had dropped because Remdesivir had proved not useful!
Gilead are currently up nearly 7% on todays news. This is still extremely early days though, but its still promising as it might indicate that we might be able to develop good treatments for the virus even if we can never find a vaccine for it.
 

soundwave

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if you think about it it would be empty as only went to have something drained under his arm pit and will do the op later tonight as had to be done asap.

also plenty of staff walking about but has been told not to leave the ward so cant have a fag or wonder about lmao.
 

Nev

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I thought Gilead shares had dropped because Remdesivir had proved not useful!

This being just one paper:

In this study of adult patients admitted to hospital for severe COVID-19, remdesivir was not associated with statistically significant clinical benefits.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31022-9/fulltext
This link should provide more info from the briefing today.
 

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AlthoughI didn't need to go to a supermarket for ages, I thought I'd take a look at the evening situation at my usual huge Sainsburies superstore which closes at 9pm.

Arriving at 8.05 pm, the large car park only had a tiny number of scattered cars.

The store doors were wide open with no staff at the entrance and one shopper in immediate sight. They'd freshly topped up the stock so I was able to pick up long dated milk, bread and a couple of other items and head for the self service checkout where there was one other person at the 20 checkouts. So I was in and out in minutes at zero risk since I only counted eight shoppers within that huge store, all far from me.

It made those long daytime queues I've seen when driving past seem more than a bit daft.
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Yep you're right there flecc evening is the time to go shopping. Even where were it's busy in the daytime on the streets it goes very quiet from about 8pm onwards.
We often get some of our food delivered because places like say Ocado have a huge range of things that you don't always find in store. There is one big perk in shopping online that's not always obvious, a store might advertise a product as having a shelf life of perhaps 4 days but when it turns up it's 3 days on the packet. You give them a ring and they give you your money back and you keep the product :)
Yesterdays freebie was a large pack of chops all ready for my freezer well in date but not quite what I'd ordered, a quick phone call and cash back in my account in an instant.
There's usually at least one thing in the order that's wrong so it's a discount every time. A few day's ago a giant Chicken pie turned up in my order, goodness knows where that came from but it now resides in my freezer.
 

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AlthoughI didn't need to go to a supermarket for ages, I thought I'd take a look at the evening situation at my usual huge Sainsburies superstore which closes at 9pm.

Arriving at 8.05 pm, the large car park only had a tiny number of scattered cars.

The store doors were wide open with no staff at the entrance and one shopper in immediate sight. They'd freshly topped up the stock so I was able to pick up long dated milk, bread and a couple of other items and head for the self service checkout where there was one other person at the 20 checkouts. So I was in and out in minutes at zero risk since I only counted eight shoppers within that huge store, all far from me.

It made those long daytime queues I've seen when driving past seem more than a bit daft.
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imo most are out of money and it is the same around here can walk in get what you want as only a few ppl about anyway in tesco today.
 

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Apparently Tory logic is that only truth can be accepted if the person telling it is a tory
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How WAS flagship BBC show infiltrated by the Left? When Panorama turned its guns on the PPE crisis, five medics savaged the Tories' approach. Yet they ALL had Labour links, writes GUY ADAMS

And therefore there isn't a shortage?
 

oyster

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Apparently Tory logic is that only truth can be accepted if the person telling it is a tory
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How WAS flagship BBC show infiltrated by the Left? When Panorama turned its guns on the PPE crisis, five medics savaged the Tories' approach. Yet they ALL had Labour links, writes GUY ADAMS

And therefore there isn't a shortage?
I haven't read it but my immediate thought was: My goodness, medics who had treated someone who had voted Labour!

Followed by remembering Brian Redhead's indignation that a politician presumed to know how he voted. In this country with a secret ballot.
 

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oldgroaner

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Ah! Right - I looked too soon and the snippet from the paper didn't, to me, look that fantastic. Shorter stay but similar death rate.
Not quite as cost effective as my idea of a vaccine that either cures you or kills you instantly on the spot if it can't is it? o_O
But the notion it can cut the cost of both success and failure is sure to appeal to conservatives.
(So long as the price is right of course)
 
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Nev

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Ah! Right - I looked too soon and the snippet from the paper didn't, to me, look that fantastic. Shorter stay but similar death rate.
I think it's still much too early to say anything definitive about it. It looks like we might be able to develop a treatment for the virus but I would imagine we are still many months perhaps even longer from having something that would make a significant difference.
 

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AlthoughI didn't need to go to a supermarket for ages, I thought I'd take a look at the evening situation at my usual huge Sainsburies superstore which closes at 9pm.

Arriving at 8.05 pm, the large car park only had a tiny number of scattered cars.

The store doors were wide open with no staff at the entrance and one shopper in immediate sight. They'd freshly topped up the stock so I was able to pick up long dated milk, bread and a couple of other items and head for the self service checkout where there was one other person at the 20 checkouts. So I was in and out in minutes at zero risk since I only counted eight shoppers within that huge store, all far from me.

It made those long daytime queues I've seen when driving past seem more than a bit daft.
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We went out yesterday and, because there was also some clothing to collect, went to M&S. Around14:00.

Quiet. Very quiet. Only one person in the queue for the food section so almost straight in.

Some staff wearing visors, but probably as many not.

They have put in place a "must zig-zag up and down the aisles" system.

Despite being so empty, it took longer than it should to complete. Reason being the woman ahead of us seemed to be taking every single pack of chicken legs off the shelf, minutely inspecting, then putting them back. Maybe chicken breasts would be better? Or Organic? Or with something sprinkled over them?

In the usual way of things, someone taking half an hour to choose a bit of chicken wouldn't have much impact. But it was at a squeeze point (pillar narrowing the aisle) and we could not get past even ordinarily without her moving, let alone maintaining social distancing.

And their click and collect now operates from the customer information on the food section.
 

Nev

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Reason being the woman ahead of us seemed to be taking every single pack of chicken legs off the shelf, minutely inspecting, then putting them back.
I was chatting to one of my neighbours the other day. He took early retirement a few years back, but took on a part time job two days a week as a shelf stacker in Asda to supplement his pension. He did this for a couple of years then became a self employed gardener two to three days a week.

While working in Asda he was amazed to see how often food items are handled by customers before someone eventually buys the item. Not counting the Asda employee who puts the item on the shelf, he said at least three sometimes more people pick the item up and inspect it before putting it back.
 

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Yep you're right there flecc evening is the time to go shopping. Even where were it's busy in the daytime on the streets it goes very quiet from about 8pm onwards.
We often get some of our food delivered because places like say Ocado have a huge range of things that you don't always find in store. There is one big perk in shopping online that's not always obvious, a store might advertise a product as having a shelf life of perhaps 4 days but when it turns up it's 3 days on the packet. You give them a ring and they give you your money back and you keep the product :)
Yesterdays freebie was a large pack of chops all ready for my freezer well in date but not quite what I'd ordered, a quick phone call and cash back in my account in an instant.
There's usually at least one thing in the order that's wrong so it's a discount every time. A few day's ago a giant Chicken pie turned up in my order, goodness knows where that came from but it now resides in my freezer.
I've got a online shop coming tomorrow....although last time I did get charged for a giant Chicken pie that never arrived.:p
 

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This link should provide more info from the briefing today.
Trump needs some good news for his daily press call, Fauci gave it to him with the usual caveat.
The problem is when a drug is 'repurposed' - it's just to see if it's worth investigating further and further means years.
I always mistrust anything that has the word 'nucleoside' or 'nucleotide' in it. Gilead's Remdesivir is a nucleoside analogue. They integrate themselves to your DNA in the same way as they do with viruses in order to blow the viruses up. It's justified as a last resort. These drugs are originally investigated as chemotherapy for aggressive cancers. It is no surprise that a percentage of volunteers have adverse reaction to them.
 

oyster

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The dog ate my homework. I'll bring it in tomorrow. Or maybe the next day. And even if I don't bring it in, I might bring in the sheet with the title on it. Anyway, it really doesn't matter that 47,471 of the promised tests weren't done. Moses didn't make it to the promised land. Is it too much to hope...

Britain could miss its target of carrying out 100,000 coronavirus tests a day by the end of April, the justice minister, Robert Buckland, said on Thursday.

Some 52,429 tests were carried out on Wednesday, according to the latest figures, putting Britain on course to miss the target set by the health minister.

“Even if it isn’t met, we are well on our way to ramping this up,” Buckland told the BBC.
 
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