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Nev

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When I read this today I had the following ideas what do you all think about the following. The virus could provide an opportunity for some radical thinking when it comes to commuting in large towns and cities.

1. Large towns and cities have a maximum speed limit of 20 mph. This is strictly enforced via lots of speed cameras and the Police.
2. E-bikes are modified legally to assist up to 20 mph. My two e-bikes cut off at 16.8 mph, so it would not mean a massive increase in speed so should not lead to lots more accidents.
3. Cyclists feel a lot safer in busy traffic areas if they can travel along at the same speed as the traffic (which would now be 20 mph).
4. The money generated from vehicles exceeding the 20 mph, is used to improve cycling in towns and cities by things like improved cycle lanes, safe lockable areas to store bikes, perhaps subsidy systems to help buy bikes (assisted or non assisted).

I think the above could lead to the following benefits.

a) More people using bikes both assist and non assist types instead of cars for commuting, therefore leading to less air pollution and less traffic congestion.
b) More people cycling could lead to better health for many people, improved fitness, perhaps weight loss and better mental health.
c) Grants made to companies (from the fine money previously mentioned) to develop or extend manufacturing facilities to build both assist and non assist cycles in the UK.
 

oyster

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When I read this today I had the following ideas what do you all think about the following. The virus could provide an opportunity for some radical thinking when it comes to commuting in large towns and cities.

1. Large towns and cities have a maximum speed limit of 20 mph. This is strictly enforced via lots of speed cameras and the Police.
2. E-bikes are modified legally to assist up to 20 mph. My two e-bikes cut off at 16.8 mph, so it would not mean a massive increase in speed so should not lead to lots more accidents.
3. Cyclists feel a lot safer in busy traffic areas if they can travel along at the same speed as the traffic (which would now be 20 mph).
4. The money generated from vehicles exceeding the 20 mph, is used to improve cycling in towns and cities by things like improved cycle lanes, safe lockable areas to store bikes, perhaps subsidy systems to help buy bikes (assisted or non assisted).

I think the above could lead to the following benefits.

a) More people using bikes both assist and non assist types instead of cars for commuting, therefore leading to less air pollution and less traffic congestion.
b) More people cycling could lead to better health for many people, improved fitness, perhaps weight loss and better mental health.
c) Grants made to companies (from the fine money previously mentioned) to develop or extend manufacturing facilities to build both assist and non assist cycles in the UK.
What I really want to see is non-bicycles with massively improved availability and access. Suitable for people who for various reasons either cannot ride "proper" bikes, or cannot safely do so. For example, people who would likely suffer excessive injury from a simply fall off, or who have poor sense of balance.
 
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oldgroaner

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When I read this today I had the following ideas what do you all think about the following. The virus could provide an opportunity for some radical thinking when it comes to commuting in large towns and cities.

1. Large towns and cities have a maximum speed limit of 20 mph. This is strictly enforced via lots of speed cameras and the Police.
2. E-bikes are modified legally to assist up to 20 mph. My two e-bikes cut off at 16.8 mph, so it would not mean a massive increase in speed so should not lead to lots more accidents.
3. Cyclists feel a lot safer in busy traffic areas if they can travel along at the same speed as the traffic (which would now be 20 mph).
4. The money generated from vehicles exceeding the 20 mph, is used to improve cycling in towns and cities by things like improved cycle lanes, safe lockable areas to store bikes, perhaps subsidy systems to help buy bikes (assisted or non assisted).

I think the above could lead to the following benefits.

a) More people using bikes both assist and non assist types instead of cars for commuting, therefore leading to less air pollution and less traffic congestion.
b) More people cycling could lead to better health for many people, improved fitness, perhaps weight loss and better mental health.
c) Grants made to companies (from the fine money previously mentioned) to develop or extend manufacturing facilities to build both assist and non assist cycles in the UK.
Not radical enough bring back the 3mph limit and the footman with a flag for motor vehicles and then we can enjoy the same sort of hell raiser road burning lifestyle that BMW and Audi drivers do now.
I shall invest in a set of "Colonel Bogey" airhorns come the day and a German Military cycle helmet
Soundwave will become a style icon:cool:
pmsl or words to that effect
 
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oyster

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I am not now and never have been a member of SAGE.

Phew! Got that out of the way. But has everyone else been a member without me?

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oldgroaner

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What I really want to see is non-bicycles with massively improved availability and access. Suitable for people who for various reasons either cannot safely ride "proper" bikes, or cannot safely do so. For example, people who would likely suffer excessive injury from a simply fall off, or who have poor sense of balance.
I believe they are called "cars" but don't quote me
 
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RossG

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Sadly I can't remember the last time I saw anyone drive at 20mph or below in this town...except during rush hour that is when the most you can do is 5mph.
 

oyster

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I believe they are called "cars" but don't quote me
Cars are not the answer. Surely none of us wish to go back to the days of cars parked up and down high streets all over the country.

Smaller. Lighter. Slower. For people not needing wheelchairs, but unable to manage the walk from the car park to the shops. Or who find the walk to the Post Office a bit much some days.
 

flecc

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Smaller. Lighter. Slower. For people not needing wheelchairs, but unable to manage the walk from the car park to the shops. Or who find the walk to the Post Office a bit much some days.
They are on the market now, called mobility vehicles.

4 mph on pavements for anyone, and no bureacracy.

8 mph on roads with registration but no number plate. The following drivers curses come free.
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oldgroaner

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I was following up an article on PPE and body bag shortages for Funeral Directors and cam across a genuine classic piece of journalistic licence in the Sun

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DISTURBING footage appears to show undertakers storming a funeral and snatching a corpse from a coffin - over an alleged £27 debt.

Family members looked on in horror as the men removed the suit-clad body from the coffin during the ceremony in Ghana and then walked off with the corpse.

Did it go willingly at the double? :cool:
 

flecc

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Large towns and cities have a maximum speed limit of 20 mph. This is strictly enforced via lots of speed cameras and the Police.
No chance.

My London borough is larger than most UK cities and has a 20 mph limit on all roads except through routes.

So everyone drives at between 25 and 30 mph, including the police who have said they won't enforce 20. And virtually all our speed cameras are empty boxes.

And on the 30 mph through routes we continue to drive at up to 40.
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Wicky

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I am not now and never have been a member of SAGE.

Phew! Got that out of the way. But has everyone else been a member without me?

Google executive took part in Sage meeting, tech firm confirms

Attendance of Demis Hassabis raises further questions about secretive group advising UK government on Covid-19
Poss related to the Google / Apple phone contact tracking app offer that was rejected in favour of a British tin can & string alternative.

 

wheeler

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When I read this today I had the following ideas what do you all think about the following. The virus could provide an opportunity for some radical thinking when it comes to commuting in large towns and cities.

1. Large towns and cities have a maximum speed limit of 20 mph. This is strictly enforced via lots of speed cameras and the Police.
2. E-bikes are modified legally to assist up to 20 mph. My two e-bikes cut off at 16.8 mph, so it would not mean a massive increase in speed so should not lead to lots more accidents.
3. Cyclists feel a lot safer in busy traffic areas if they can travel along at the same speed as the traffic (which would now be 20 mph).
4. The money generated from vehicles exceeding the 20 mph, is used to improve cycling in towns and cities by things like improved cycle lanes, safe lockable areas to store bikes, perhaps subsidy systems to help buy bikes (assisted or non assisted).

I think the above could lead to the following benefits.

a) More people using bikes both assist and non assist types instead of cars for commuting, therefore leading to less air pollution and less traffic congestion.
b) More people cycling could lead to better health for many people, improved fitness, perhaps weight loss and better mental health.
c) Grants made to companies (from the fine money previously mentioned) to develop or extend manufacturing facilities to build both assist and non assist cycles in the UK.
Come on POLLY, surely that was funny as well. ;)
 
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Woosh

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I just don't believe our government estimate of 0.7 for R0.
The BBC is spreading government propaganda of R0 all day on BBC News24.
If that were true, the number of new confirmed cases would drop 30% for each cycle.
We've been having 4.5k - 6k new confirmed cases every day for 3 weeks now.
That's R0 = 1.
 

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