Brexit, for once some facts.

Barry Shittpeas

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How far can the virus travel in air??? Think about a fart on a bus.o_O
I was thinking along similar lines a couple of weeks ago. I was out very early when the temperature was low and virtually zero wind speed. I saw a couple of people talking and the moisture in their breath was condensing giving a snapshot of how moisture in the air we exhale travels. To me, this indicates that the two metre guide is more BS. In the barely perceptible wind, the breath was travelling at least 4 metres downwind whilst still visible as condensate.

Lesson: always pass on the upwind side of other people when out walking! Stay on the upwind side of the path!
 
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I agree, I think the infection risk inside a building like an office, shop, supermarket etc, is high. I further believe that the coughing and sneezing is more BS from the government, I think it takes far less than that to infect someone.
I don't think the scientific advice is incorrect. But obviously a high density of people circulating in an enclosed volume will continue to churn viruses up from floors and back into the air. Remember these particles are viable for maybe 2 or 3 days, indoors and at moderate temperatures. There is evidence of cross infection via air conditioning.
One phlem gobule will contain thousands to tens of thousands more virus particles than an equivalent mass of breath.
So yes, I am very concerned going into supermarkets and enclosed spaces.
 
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Barry Shittpeas

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I don't think the scientific advice is incorrect. But obviously a high density of people circulating in an enclosed volume will continue to churn viruses up from floors and back into the air. Remember these particles are viable for maybe 2 or 3 days, indoors and at moderate temperatures. There is evidence of cross infection via air conditioning.
One phlem gobule will contain thousands to tens of thousands more virus particles than an equivalent mass of breath.
I don’t think you know this to be fact.
 

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Sceptic that I am, I checked and found this is genuine. I believed OG had posted in good faith, he would not do otherwise, but wanted to double-check such a significant development.

https://www.hsj.co.uk/acute-care/exclusive-national-alert-as-coronavirus-related-condition-may-be-emerging-in-children/7027496.article
The Guardian have a piece on it too.
 
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I don’t think you know this to be fact.
I believe I do. I looked up references to the richness of virus per ml of liquid material extracted from back of throat . I looked up references to volume of expelled air per breath. I guessed the mass of saturated air in 1/2 litre @ 37degree ,and used experimental results for the flux of flu particles. .. Hence my estimate.
The information regarding CV19 travel in air conditioning ducts has been documented.
Next question?
 
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Barry Shittpeas

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I believe I do. I looked up references to the richness of virus per ml of liquid material extracted from back of throat . I looked up references to volume of expelled air per breath. I guessed the mass of saturated air in 1/2 litre @ 37degree ,and used experimental results for the flux of flu particles. .. Hence my estimate.
The information regarding CV19 travel in air conditioning ducts has been documented.
Next question?
You are basing your theory on assumptions that you have made regarding a new virus about which, very little is known, particularly with regards to transmission.

Making assumptions and independently granting yourself verification is a dangerous path to go down. Stop it.
 
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Actually his delivery is poor, jerky, disjointed ,clipped and punctuated with irritating and pointless hand gestures
That's the whole point in this form of speech, the deliberate, uneven length pauses to drive home each word or phrase as the audience is left hanging for the ensuing word.

It's designed to give undue weight and importance to what is being said, out of all proportion to its actual value.

Churchill was a master of it, and as with Johnson, it was probably his only achievement.

They could probably make reading a shopping list sound like the announcement of the second coming.
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That's the whole point in this form of speech, the deliberate, uneven length pauses to drive home each word or phrase as the audience is left hanging for the ensuing word.

It's designed to give undue weight and importance to what is being said, out of all proportion to its actual value.

Churchill was a master of it, and as with Johnson, it was probably his only achievement.

They could probably make reading a shopping list sound like the announcement of the second coming.
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It doesn't come over as masterful, just as I described it, sorry.
 

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You are basing your theory on assumptions that you have made regarding a new virus about which, very little is known, particularly with regards to transmission.

Making assumptions and independently granting yourself verification is a dangerous path to go down. Stop it.
Well if it's good enough for Boris to do................... :rolleyes:
 
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I saw a couple of people talking and the moisture in their breath was condensing giving a snapshot of how moisture in the air we exhale travels. To me, this indicates that the two metre guide is more BS. In the barely perceptible wind, the breath was travelling at least 4 metres downwind whilst still visible as condensate.
Just think about a mist or fog, hanging stationary in the air for hours.

Or the dense clouds some vapers produce!
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How far can the virus travel in air??? Think about a fart on a bus.o_O
But can a fart transmit coronavirus?

a) No;
b) In principle but, because it is confined by (usually) under- and outer-wear, no;
c) Yes.

Obviously, clothing is more or less equivalent to a home-made mask. So if c) could be demonstrated, it would further justify widespread wearing of masks.
 

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c) is correct I believe.
CV is very small, about 20 nano-meter in size (0.020 micron).
Some will get through even the best of face masks.
 
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Strangely enough all deodorants have started giving me a rash these days having used them for years. I even tried the expensive natural types but no luck. I suppose your skin changes as you get older, now I'll have to start using that wet stuff that comes out of taps....blast!
I am currently using Jason Deodorant. And have used a couple of other makes which were very similar.

Yes, I too became more sensitive to shower gels, handwashes, soaps, shampoos, etc.

I suspect Methylisothiazolinone (MIT) and Methylchloroisothiazolinone (CMIT) - quite possibly among many other substances.

Hypothyroidism often seems to cause sensitivities to appear or worsen - did for me.
 

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Just think about a mist or fog, hanging stationary in the air for hours.

Or the dense clouds some vapers produce!
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To judge by the size of clouds of smoke they emit, not just their lungs are hollow, but the rest of their bodies too!
 
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oldgroaner

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c) is correct I believe.
CV is very small, about 20 nano-meter in size (0.020 micron).
Some will get through even the best of face masks.
Careful! if Trump gets wind of this he will have millions of Americans walking around with one of these inverted on their heads


And there will be a spate of indoor drownings as they don't come with the instructions to empty them first!
 

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To judge by the size of clouds of smoke they emit, not just their lungs are hollow, but the rest of their bodies too!
Yes, I've got a vaper near me and when he's hidden in the doorway emitting huge clouds of smoke, I'm sure one day someone will call the fire brigade.
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Yes, I've got a vaper near me and when he's hidden in the doorway emitting huge clouds of smoke, I'm sure one day someone will call the fire brigade.
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Or the men with the Blue pointed heads will do him with a fine for "Unauthorised Barbecuing (of the lungs)" when he should be exercising.
 
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