Brexit, for once some facts.

[oldgroaner]

Just a small point of etiquette, of which I am sure you are well aware. It will be Lord Farage, not Lord Nigel. Sir Nigel, as in Sir Nigel Farage is acceptable.

Only to an idiot Fringe, try Farage, Lord Dereliction of Duty, which is what the beggar did , working for his Paymasters, and against those of this country.
I.M.H.O

 

[Zlatan]

Think Wentworth Woodhouse has largest front of any house in UK.. Its also the one Bevin insisted on initiating mining in its grounds...in his anti aristocracy binge. Its been a teacher training college ( for female PE teachers)...Would be a shame to not get it sorted. Its a massive part of uk history. Good and bad..( at least it wasn't built on sugar fortunes earned from sugar slaves and reimbursement on their being freed. like many were).

Can I assume this place would be raised to the ground when me OG and Tom take control..or would all voting be advisory ??

 

[Kudoscycles]

This is just a wild guess, but could that be because the Conservative party didn't have a candidate?

I'm sorry Kudos, to say that there was a shift of 31% from Tory to Lib Dem when the Tory party didn't have a candidate is nonsense.



Now that is more credible and could be an indicator. I'll accept that there may be something stirring based on that evidence.




Agree, this will be interesting and IF there is a shift here away from UKIP and Conservative, it could prove to be a weather vane indicating which way the BREXIT breeze is blowing.



They were overdone, and because of that people's initial scepticism of these "experts" has now, quite rightly, turned into contempt. The forecasts for the next 5 years which, were published only a few days ago, were seized upon by an army of anti-BREXIT campaigners. These were only forecasts and forecasts are very often wrong and that is a fact. The anti-BREXIT lobby just couldn't wait to fast-forward to 2021. It was pathetic, they were talking as though the forecasts had actually happened, such was their malevolence.

Anyway, back to Richmond Park. A non-event won by an opportunist non-entity. As I said earlier, move along, nothing to see here.

Sleaford - Hykeham will give us more of a clue, because I foresee that being all about BREXIT with all sides represented. We might be able to pick something out of that one.

The Tories never put up a candidate in Richmond Park because that would have split the Zac/Tory candidate vote and made certain that the Lib lady would have easily won.
Zac Goldsmith was quite popular in that seat and that held up his vote,an unknown Tory would have done poorly.
Aside from Zac's popularity the vote was 100 % about Brexit,they both supported anti Heathrow so that was irrelevant.
Sleaford will be difficult to call,it had a high leave vote and Leavers must be fed up that May hasn't taken us over the cliff yet,apologies I mean triggered A50.....there could be a protest vote against May towards UKIP. How many Remainers were there in Sleaford,they would probably vote Liberal.
Since the referendum what has Hammond and May done to help poor regions such as Sleaford?
Corbyn today gave an official sign to Labour MP's that they can vote for an amendment to disrupt May's A50 Bill,the maths seem to suggest that voting on this bill is evenly split between for/against....the number of Tory rebels is difficult to count.
When May gets kicked out who will replace her? perhaps Boris,hehe
KudosDave

 

[Zlatan]

Just checked, it wasn't Bevin it was Shinwell who decided to mine in grounds.. Memory cant compete with Google!!

 

[tillson]

Only to an idiot Fringe, try Farage, Lord Dereliction of Duty, which is what the beggar did , working for his Paymasters, and against those of this country.
I.M.H.O

Nigel Farage MEP has one of the lowest, if not the lowest voting attendance records of any MEP within the EU. This is a remarkable achievement by Nigel and indicates that he is manifestly contemptuous of the EU. Splendid.

If the public don't like it, they can remove Nigel via the democratic process. Oh, hang on a minute, I see the problem now, Nigel bashes don't like democracy.

 

[tillson]

The Tories never put up a candidate in Richmond Park because that would have split the Zac/Tory candidate vote and made certain that the Lib lady would have easily won.
Zac Goldsmith was quite popular in that seat and that held up his vote,an unknown Tory would have done poorly.
Aside from Zac's popularity the vote was 100 % about Brexit,they both supported anti Heathrow so that was irrelevant.

Agreed. 100% about BREXIT in an area which has always been pro remain, both before and after the referendum. No change there.

No Tory candidate either, so no shift from Tory to Lib Dem that can be measured or relied upon. Let's chat again after the Sleeford by election.

 

[oldgroaner]

Think Wentworth Woodhouse has largest front of any house in UK.. Its also the one Bevin insisted on initiating mining in its grounds...in his anti aristocracy binge. Its been a teacher training college ( for female PE teachers)...Would be a shame to not get it sorted. Its a massive part of uk history. Good and bad..( at least it wasn't built on sugar fortunes earned from sugar slaves and reimbursement on their being freed. like many were).
I

No it was in fact on land stolen by conquest in 1066 by the Normans and given to the Wentworths
All highly moral and all that, don't you just love the Aristocracy?

 

[oldgroaner]

Nigel Farage MEP has one of the lowest, if not the lowest voting attendance records of any MEP within the EU. This is a remarkable achievement by Nigel and indicates that he is manifestly contemptuous of the EU. Splendid.

If the public don't like it, they can remove Nigel via the democratic process. Oh, hang on a minute, I see the problem now, Nigel bashes don't like democracy.

No tillson it is deplorable, and even worse is that where there was an opportunity to serve the interests of this country by fighting our corner, this despicable man either avoided turning up, or simply acted as an ignorant lout towards the organisation that was paying him a salary that he took under false pretences.
You know it, and if you had an employee who had that attendance record and slagged off your company internationally, his feet wouldn't have touched, would they?
Still you will keep the joke running pretending you respect this creature, and it does get a few laughs and keeps the thread going.
Nigel bashers do like democracy, they just don't like con artists that regard being elected to office as a Meal ticket they don't have to work for.
And they know a con artist when they see one.

 

[Kudoscycles]

At least he doesn't send his children to a private school whilst simultaneously campaigning to prevent others from doing likewise. A certain barrage balloon shaped Labour MP does exactly this, but the name escapes me at the moment.

Wentworth Woodhouse has been sold, the sale partly funded by the National Heritage Memorial Fund. This is a magnificent property which is open to the public to enjoy the house and grounds. I'm all for the preservation of this fine English estates.

I fully support what is happening here.

I also like Jacob Rees-Mogg, he's a good communicator, has a good sense of humour and talks a lot of common sense. I particularly like the idea of him campaigning in a depressed area of the North whilst driving a Bentley / Mercedes and assisted by his childhood nanny. That is funny.

The Jacob Rees-Moggs and Redwoods are the right wing blackshirts who are the cause of all this divisiveness,born in the wrong era,you could just see them marching alongside Oswald Mosley in the 1930's
As for finding it funny to canvas in his Bentley with his nanny in a poverty stricken area....It would have been even funnier if someone carved 'posh twat' into every panel,hehe.
KudosDave

 

[Kudoscycles]

Agreed. 100% about BREXIT in an area which has always been pro remain, both before and after the referendum. No change there.

No Tory candidate either, so no shift from Tory to Lib Dem that can be measured or relied upon. Let's chat again after the Sleeford by election.

'Sleaford' not 'Sleeford'.....sorry to be picky,must be my grammar school education to which May says we are all entitled.
KudosDave

 

[Zlatan]

'Sleaford' not 'Sleeford'.....sorry to be picky,must be my grammar school education to which May says we are all entitled.
KudosDave

Impossibility for all..

 

[Kudoscycles]

Faceless, unelected bureaucrats in Brussels have decreed that £7.6 million should be spent on renovations to Wentworth Woodhouse, the stately home and ancestral pile of Helena de Chair who is probably wealthier than most of the 'new money' celebs who appear on the Sunday Times Rich List which has no access to bank accounts.

Who is Helena de Chair you may ask? Well, she's only the breeding machine married to Jacob Rees-Mogg, also one not exactly strapped for cash. So far, they have produced 5 little monsters whose names will not appear on the pupil list of any state comprehensive school or even academy any time soon, trust me!

Actually, this story isn't true; I just made up the bit about unelected, faceless politicians in Brussels - there aren't any!.......Oh, and the £7.6 million of tax money paid by those on the PAYE system is being put to this purpose on the say-so of Phillip Hammond, our inexperienced Chancellor of the Exchequer, whose personal wealth in 2009 was estimated to be about £9 million though we don't know how much tax he paid!

For those interested, there is quite a bit of history attached to Wentworth Woodhouse and apparently, it has over 300 rooms, none of which will be utilised to house Britain's homeless, or refugees fleeing what remains of the middle-east after our repeated bombings in combined military operations, essential for peacekeeping purposes and ensuring democracy prevails.

£7.6 million for just one house.......there is a trust which I am sure will spend that money wisely and I'm sure it will pay for itself many times over as someone suggested....never!

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Apart from his valuable contribution to democracy and the pursuit of a fair and equitable society through his day job, Mr Rees-Mogg still manages to fit in some extra-curricular work for Somerset Capital Management, 30 days per annum at a salary of around £10,000 per month.

When asked for a comment on austerity, he allegedly replied, 'Austerity....what austerity?'

Tom

Surprised he didn't ask ' What is osterity ol boy' ?
You don't need to be able to spell to get into Eaten or 'Arrow....
KudosDave

 

[mike killay]

Just got too laugh, hoist by her own petard.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rn3vuKEgTbs

 

[tillson]

No tillson it is deplorable, and even worse is that where there was an opportunity to serve the interests of this country by fighting our corner, this despicable man either avoided turning up, or simply acted as an ignorant lout towards the organisation that was paying him a salary that he took under false pretences.
You know it, and if you had an employee who had that attendance record and slagged off your company internationally, his feet wouldn't have touched, would they?
Still you will keep the joke running pretending you respect this creature, and it does get a few laughs and keeps the thread going.
Nigel bashers do like democracy, they just don't like con artists that regard being elected to office as a Meal ticket they don't have to work for.
And they know a con artist when they see one.

But he was elected and if he performs in a way which displeases the electorate they can remove him. That is how it works.

The electorate have not removed Nigel Farage, so what he does must be to their liking. You, nor anyone else can simply remove an individual from office because you don't like them. You can stand against them in an election and you can propose an alternative approach to the EU. The electorate will then decide.

 

[Kudoscycles]

Tillson....going by your avatar I assume you know the correct way to 'pass the port'?
KudosDave

 

[Croxden]

I was surprised that the Whigs are back in existence http://whigs.uk/

Traditional opposition to the tories in the olden days as some of you may remember. I don't think there will be any chance of forming a quality government though, I can't remember if there's ever been one.

 

[Zlatan]

I was surprised that the Whigs are back in existence http://whigs.uk/

Traditional opposition to the tories in the olden days as some of you may remember. I don't think there will be any chance of forming a quality government though, I can't remember if there's ever been one.

Success and popularity are mutually exclusive for any government..

 

[oldgroaner]

Success and popularity are mutually exclusive for any government..

Actually in this country it is considered little short of miraculous if either is achieved!

 

[Zlatan]

Agreed.
If we,ve managed to go a few months without starting a war would be a success.

 

[oldgroaner]

But he was elected and if he performs in a way which displeases the electorate they can remove him. That is how it works.

The electorate have not removed Nigel Farage, so what he does must be to their liking. You, nor anyone else can simply remove an individual from office because you don't like them. You can stand against them in an election and you can propose an alternative approach to the EU. The electorate will then decide.

Actually we already know all that, it didn't stop him abusing the system did it?

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