Brexit, for once some facts.

[Zlatan]

This shows how distorted your view is. I've hardly been in here for some while and my posting frequency in this thread for some while doesn't begin to compare with OG's.

In fact I've been posting extensively in the pedelecs cycling forums for some while now, not that you'd notice the 10 times today and 17 times yesterday for examples.
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For what its worth on here and for you to completely ignore and probably answer something not said...
Socialism in our country is dead. Socialism is supposed to reflect views and beliefs of the society it represents. In the 1920s when socialism was in its infancy here, the bulk of society were oppressed workers, working in mines, steel mills, car plants, cotton mills and industry in general. All those industries have gone, along with the workers they exploited. Yes, ofcourse we still have workers being taken advantage of but we also have nearly everyone owning their own homes. Hargreaves Lansdowne have over a million investors with them alone. Times have changed, society has moved but our Labour have gone not with them but back to the 1920's. Banning and expelling those members with different views. (Campbell, Champion, Blair just for example)
Corbyn/RLB/McDonnel /Unite/Momentum's idea of socialism is a set of rules based on dogma and ideology and not those of our current SOCIETY. In this way it becomes an elitist form of socialism for the chosen telling the rest of us we arent up to standard. Telling us we are racist, Royalist or Tories. Rubbish. What right has Corbyn got to call himself a socialist on the one hand but shut down dialogue from Champion, Campbell etc etc on the other. Its either his, or your, idea of socialism or nobodies. Socialism isnt about that. Its about society. Listening to all, trying to cater for all and debating about the future with decisions voted on by all, not just those deemed to be fit and in either Momentum or Unite. You cant regulate to force socialism, when you do it becomes Marxism at best and Communism at worst. Corbyn's vision of Labour made no attempt to represent our current society. Quite the reverse, he tries to regulate us with his vision of utopia. Boris on the other hand, head of a group steeped in doctrine managed to change and gain support of those sick of being told what socialism is by a group of elitist champagne socialists exploiting the system. Socialism comes from society, not the other way around. When such as you, and those steering Labour realise this we might see the Labour party back in power. Until then we have the Tories.
So stop telling me what is and isnt socialism. I know perfectly well. Its you and our current Labour who do not.

 

[oyster]

The Daily Mail is in the panic business
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8060407/Health-chiefs-urge-60s-avoid-crowds-coronavirus-panic-spreads.html

• The World Health Organisation has told people aged over 60 to avoid crowded areas and public transport
• Drastic warning also urged people over 60 to skip routine appointments at doctors' surgeries and hospitals

You have to wonder if two brain cells are connected in our government?

At the same time as the statements in the DM, our government is saying:

Good morning from London, where the main news is that former health professionals could be brought out of retirement under emergency plans to combat the spread of coronavirus.

Just how useful are retired health professionals who have to avoid crowded areas, public transport, doctors' surgeries and hospitals? Or are they being being regarded as expendable?

(Just on Friday I tried a local pharmacy to get my medicine. The locum pharmacist looked as if he must have retired at least a decade ago. And was completely unaware of the formulation issue I was trying to avoid. Pharmacist in name only. Legally present but expired professional competence. I admit it is very difficult to keep up in such areas.)

 

[oldgroaner]

Another promise to the Brexit voters goes belly up
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/mar/01/treasury-adviser-farming-and-fisheries-are-not-important#
Treasury adviser: farming and fisheries are not important
Tim Leunig, who advises Rishi Sunak, has suggested ministers could look to be like Singapore

It gets weirder by the day.

 

[oldgroaner]

For what its worth on here and for you to completely ignore and probably answer something not said...
Socialism in our country is dead. Socialism is supposed to reflect views and beliefs of the society it represents. In the 1920s when socialism was in its infancy here, the bulk of society were oppressed workers, working in mines, steel mills, car plants, cotton mills and industry in general. All those industries have gone, along with the workers they exploited. Yes, ofcourse we still have workers being taken advantage of but we also have nearly everyone owning their own homes. Hargreaves Lansdowne have over a million investors with them alone. Times have changed, society has moved but our Labour have gone not with them but back to the 1920's. Banning and expelling those members with different views. (Campbell, Champion, Blair just for example)
Corbyn/RLB/McDonnel /Unite/Momentum's idea of socialism is a set of rules based on dogma and ideology and not those of our current SOCIETY. In this way it becomes an elitist form of socialism for the chosen telling the rest of us we arent up to standard. Telling us we are racist, Royalist or Tories. Rubbish. What right has Corbyn got to call himself a socialist on the one hand but shut down dialogue from Champion, Campbell etc etc on the other. Its either his, or your, idea of socialism or nobodies. Socialism isnt about that. Its about society. Listening to all, trying to cater for all and debating about the future with decisions voted on by all, not just those deemed to be fit and in either Momentum or Unite. You cant regulate to force socialism, when you do it becomes Marxism at best and Communism at worst. Corbyn's vision of Labour made no attempt to represent our current society. Quite the reverse, he tries to regulate us with his vision of utopia. Boris on the other hand, head of a group steeped in doctrine managed to change and gain support of those sick of being told what socialism is by a group of elitist champagne socialists exploiting the system. Socialism comes from society, not the other way around. When such as you, and those steering Labour realise this we might see the Labour party back in power. Until then we have the Tories.
So stop telling me what is and isnt socialism. I know perfectly well. Its you and our current Labour who do not.

More wisdom from one who doesn't suffer from it, for if he had, he wouldn't have voted for Brexit.
And now it's all sour grapes.
You won, get over it.

 

[oldgroaner]

You have to wonder if two brain cells are connected in our government?

At the same time as the statements in the DM, our government is saying:

Good morning from London, where the main news is that former health professionals could be brought out of retirement under emergency plans to combat the spread of coronavirus.

Just how useful are retired health professionals who have to avoid crowded areas, public transport, doctors' surgeries and hospitals? Or are they being being regarded as expendable?

(Just on Friday I tried a local pharmacy to get my medicine. The locum pharmacist looked as if he must have retired at least a decade ago. And was completely unaware of the formulation issue I was trying to avoid. Pharmacist in name only. Legally present but expired professional competence. I admit it is very difficult to keep up in such areas.)

They all get a glass of sake and a white headband with a small Union jack on it and the title
Kamikaze Health Service
As to requiring competence, what are the poor devils expected to achieve?

As to the two brain cells
You have to wonder about anyone who voted for them as well.

 

[oyster]

Another promise to the Brexit voters goes belly up
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/mar/01/treasury-adviser-farming-and-fisheries-are-not-important#
Treasury adviser: farming and fisheries are not important
Tim Leunig, who advises Rishi Sunak, has suggested ministers could look to be like Singapore

It gets weirder by the day.

Apparently:

Sources told the PA news agency that the remarks were made in personal emails and that Dr Leunig was not speaking in his Treasury role.

So just why was he selected to be an adviser? I assume this must be a post-Javid-Downing-Street-Appointed adviser as surely Sunak has no possibility of selecting his own.

 

[Zlatan]

More wisdom from one who doesn't suffer from it, for if he had, he wouldn't have voted for Brexit.
And now it's all sour grapes.
You won, get over it.

Pi!! ock.
One who is more than happy to continually moan moan fecking moan about our only option but cant see what needs to change to get an alternative. Blinkered and thick.
And my rambling insulted no one, whereas you cant resist. Hence, you really are a pi!!ock. Insulted me when you werent even involved.

 

[oyster]

Another promise to the Brexit voters goes belly up
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/mar/01/treasury-adviser-farming-and-fisheries-are-not-important#
Treasury adviser: farming and fisheries are not important
Tim Leunig, who advises Rishi Sunak, has suggested ministers could look to be like Singapore

It gets weirder by the day.

Given he has Lib Dem suppoort in his background and he has some, umm, unusual ideas about railways, which disagree with governmment policy (as recently announced):

Too many decisions about trains are made by engineers or people who like trains (e.g. Andrew Adonis). Trains get you from A to B, nothing more. They are well-suited to dense linear journeys, such as commuting or journeys between large cities. They are ill-suited to heterogeneous journeys, for which cars are more appropriate.

The vast majority of well-used rail journeys are London commuter or airport journeys. These account for all of the top 20 journeys by passenger numbers (Source: ATOC data, derived from LENNON). Policy should concentrate on these journeys – particularly as some are slower than in the 1950s.

We can cut costs by:

(1) Ending investment that offers marginal benefits to passengers. Electrification is a good example. It improves acceleration and braking times, making it well-suited to commuter networks. But unless you build a dedicated high speed line, or upgrade existing lines to WCML standards, it makes little difference to journey times for long distance routes. An electric Intercity 225 takes about 2 minutes less from London to York than a diesel Intercity 125, even though the former accelerates faster and can travel at 140mph rather than 125mph. What matters is the track. Taxpayers and passengers would get better value for money by keeping the 125s and their carriages going, and not proceeding with the new Hitachi SET trains. (The bi-mode version is, as Roger Ford and everyone else have pointed out, bonkers).

(2) Long distance projects are glamorous, but offer very poor value for money (see Leunig, in Paradoxes of Modernisation, and Eddington for more details). HS2 should not proceed. The regional benefits are miniscule – all HS2 will do is make Manchester as close to London as Birmingham currently is. Birmingham is not richer than Manchester. My LSE colleague Henry Overman is the expert.

(3) We should accept that where passenger flows are too low, lines should close. Cross subsidies within rail make little economic or social sense.

(4) Lots of stations should close. The least heavily used 50% of stations account for less than 3.6% of traffic. The least heavily used 30% of stations account for less than 1% of passengers. (Source: ORR station use data) It is a preposterous waste of money to keep them open. We have more little used stations than before Beeching.

(5) Create a third class on London commuter routes – standing room only. Taking seats out is much cheaper than lengthening trains and platforms. A £1 flat fare standing room only deal would make economic and political sense. Journey times are under 30 minutes, and many people are standing anyway.

Tim Leunig: How to cut the cost of railways and keep fares down | Conservative Home

Tim Montgomerie: "Yesterday evening on Twitter I asked what Tory MPs who were against train fare increases wanted instead. Did they prefer higher

www.conservativehome.com

 

[Woosh]

Socialism in our country is dead.

it's not but Corbyn is out within weeks - Labour is changing.

 

[oldgroaner]

Why isn't the Government getting involved?
https://cepi.net/news_cepi/cepi-to-fund-three-programmes-to-develop-vaccines-against-the-novel-coronavirus-ncov-2019/

CEPI to fund three programmes to develop vaccines against the novel coronavirus, nCoV-2019
23 Jan 2020
Note the date

 

[Zlatan]

it's not but Corbyn is out within weeks - Labour is changing.

Hows that Woosh. Still under McCluskey / Unite. Dominated by momentum. Campbell still out, Blair ignored, Champion sacked. Even Kinnocks totally ignored.
But well done for responding to comments rather than OG's habit of insulting poster. Which he will deny.
And, I said socialism is dead Not labour

 

[oyster]

Why isn't the Government getting involved?
https://cepi.net/news_cepi/cepi-to-fund-three-programmes-to-develop-vaccines-against-the-novel-coronavirus-ncov-2019/

CEPI to fund three programmes to develop vaccines against the novel coronavirus, nCoV-2019
23 Jan 2020
Note the date

Good question? Or is there competition within the vaccine development ranks which means we are doing something else, entirely separately?

 

[Woosh]

Hows that Woosh. Still under McCluskey / Unite. Dominated by momentum. Campbell still out, Blair ignored, Champion sacked. Even Kinnocks totally ignored.
But well done for responding to comments rather than OG's habit of insulting poster. Which he will deny.
And, I said socialism is dead Not labour

Kier Starmer is likely to be the next Labour leader.
He wants to do whatever it takes to win back power, that means centre left.

 

[oyster]

Matt Hancock has it all in control:

And I’ve been updating cabinet weekly.

He'd have more time for golf or Netflix if he only updated them monthly.

 

[flecc]

For what its worth on here and for you to completely ignore and probably answer something not said...

I'm sorry that I have to say this, but you really are an idiot Zlatan.

Look at the post of mine that you quoted, then look at your reply. It is you who posted a reply to what was not said. It was your usual long rant about socialism and Labour with Hargreaves Lansdowne thrown in for good measure as ever, but my post that you quoted made no mention whatsover about anything to do with those.

Your accusation was completely unfounded since I am probably the most meticulous in here at only answering what is posted and get annoyed at those like you in particular who persist in answering what isn't said and often never said.
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[Zlatan]

I'm sorry that I have to say this, but you really are an idiot Zlatan.

Look at the post of mine that you quoted, then look at your reply. It is you who posted a reply to what was not said. It was your usual long rant about socialism and Labour with Hargreaves Lansdowne thrown in for good measure as ever, but my post that you quoted made no mention whatsover about anything to do with those.

Your accusation was completely unfounded since I am probably the most meticulous in here at only answering what is posted and get annoyed at those like you in particular who persist in answering what isn't said and often never said.
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And there speaks modern labour. If you dont buy into their dogma and attitudes... You are an idiot or racist or thick. And yes, I did read your post. You didnt read mine obviously.
In your own way flecc you are just as bad as OG. Both blinkered and assured of your own righteousness.
The simple fact is so obvious for all to see. If Labour do not get back in touch with real society they are doomed. Starmer is window dressing. It needs a fundemental change in its identity to become a true socialist party.
As it is and ever will be under McCluskey /Unite /momentum it is an irrelevance handing power to Tories.

 

[flecc]

And there speaks modern labour. If you dont buy into their dogma and attitudes... You are an idiot or racist or thick. And yes, I did read your post. You didnt read mine obviously.
In your own way flecc you are just as bad as OG. Both blinkered and assured of your own righteousness.
The simple fact is so obvious for all to see. If Labour do not get back in touch with real society they are doomed. Starmer is window dressing. It needs a fundemental change in its identity to become a true socialist party.
As it is and ever will be under McCluskey /Unite /momentum it is an irrelevance handing power to Tories.

You are clearly either mentally ill or incapable of understanding the English language Zlatan.

Once again nothing you've just posted has the slightest relationship to my post that you were quoting and commenting on.

I repeat, I made no mention of any of the things you commented on in either of your two responses. Your obsession with the things you've spoken of is like an illness and certainly very unhealthy.
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[oldgroaner]

Pi!! ock.
One who is more than happy to continually moan moan fecking moan about our only option but cant see what needs to change to get an alternative. Blinkered and thick.
And my rambling insulted no one, whereas you cant resist. Hence, you really are a pi!!ock. Insulted me when you werent even involved.

You are a comedian aren't you?
I didn't insult you, what you really don't like is I told you the truth, and you really can't take that, can you?

 

[oldgroaner]

Matt Hancock has it all in control:

And I’ve been updating cabinet weekly.

He'd have more time for golf or Netflix if he only updated them monthly.

I think he meant to say "Weakly"

 

[oldgroaner]

Good question? Or is there competition within the vaccine development ranks which means we are doing something else, entirely separately?

We will never know, will we?