Brexit, for once some facts.

[Zlatan]

Despite what you may believe, I am fully aware of how our parliament operates.
The opposition cannot effect the party in power in any significant way is the truth
An even more fundamental truth for you to chew on is this
Who ever controls the media determines which party is in power by manipulating the voters.
Boris wasn't elected because of anything the Labour party did but because there was a campaign against labour using every weapon available including the support of the Israeli lobby.
No matter who had been in charge the result was a foregone conclusion bought and paid for.

When Boris fails to deliver to his paymasters he will be toast and suddenly all will be forgiven and Keir Starmer or whoever is front person will be made to look like the second coming in the media by making the same promises
Phony Blair did after the Tory dishonesty scandals.
And what made the media change sides?

Outraged Public opinion that they could use to serve their ends.
They did it with Brexit
And they will do it again to undo the damage, when they perceive there is likely to be unrest, a profit to be made by dumping the administration.

Boris was elected because of what Labour party didnt do. They didnt appeal to enough voters and not because of how they were portrayed by media but because they are genuinely incompetent, disliked with litlle grasp oe understanding of electorate. Come on OG, Diane Abbott, McCluskey combined with Corbyn are simply not electable.
And, yes, I do agree there will inevitably be public disatisfaction with Tories, it could be extreme, but that will count for little against an 80 seat majority and for even less if there still isnt a viable alternative.
I dont understand how you can think public opinion can bring this government down?? I, ve asked before for you to explain the machinery. Public opinion can bring down weak governments when only a few rebels changing side of house can bring about a minority government but 80 changing sides is, as yet, unheard of. It simply will not happen. We have Tories for 5 years, minimum. Fact. No matter how much upset they cause.

 

[jonathan.agnew]

For your information we have had a points based system for years for non EU immigrants, and they are the majority.
And yet despite that system the Government has been letting them in.
Do you really think that will change (bearing in mind that they have said it wont?)
So the result will be more lies and promises as usual

Doesnt the fact that they reserve the non skilled jobs for british citizens just say it all

 

[oldgroaner]

Things change, at one time in history, you would have been hanged for minor theft, today you wouldn’t. Once upon a time, immigration rules were more relaxed than they are today.

It’s not a big deal.

Just a bit unsporting if you came in under kinder rules but then apply harsher ones to your own people because you are an ambitious prat.
Oh yes
This saying applies

"Normally I can't stand hypocrisy,
but I'm prepared to make an exception in my own case"

 

[oldgroaner]

Boris was elected because of what Labour party didnt do. They didnt appeal to enough voters and not because of how they were portrayed by media but because they are genuinely incompetent, disliked with litlle grasp oe understanding of electorate. Come on OG, Diane Abbott, McCluskey combined with Corbyn are simply not electable.
And, yes, I do agree there will inevitably be public disatisfaction with Tories, it could be extreme, but that will count for little against an 80 seat majority and for even less if there still isnt a viable alternative.
I dont understand how you can think public opinion can bring this government down?? I, ve asked before for you to explain the machinery. Public opinion can bring down weak governments when only a few rebels changing side of house can bring about a minority government but 80 changing sides is, as yet, unheard of. It simply will not happen. We have Tories for 5 years, minimum. Fact. No matter how much upset they cause.

Will you never end this bitching?
can we have an emoji for "Boring" please?

 

[oyster]

Doesnt the fact that they reserve the non skilled jobs for british citizens just say it all

Just a bit unsporting if you came in under kinder rules but then apply harsher ones to your own people because you are an ambitious prat.
Oh yes
This saying applies

"Normally I can't stand hypocrisy,
but I'm prepared to make an exception in my own case"

Especially in the context of the still-unresolved Windrush scandal.

Imagine if PP went abroad and wasn't allowed back in because of irregularities...

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

Doesnt the fact that they reserve the non skilled jobs for british citizens just say it all

I can’t see what the problem is. People voted to end low skilled immigration, so presumably they wanted all the fish gutting, toilet cleaning, bum wiping, field working, pizza making, chamber maid type jobs for themselves and their graduate children. Why wouldn’t they? All of that neurosurgery and other medical shite can be done by the foreigners, that’s all they’re fit for.

Result! Everyone is happy.

 

[Woosh]

Result! Everyone is happy.

result, indeed

 

[Zlatan]

Will you never end this bitching?
can we have an emoji for "Boring" please?

All used up on yours.
I was answering your same stance around Labour's actions (or lack if them) being irrelevant to our situation. They have caused them equally as much as Tories.

 

[oyster]

Joined up

The government set up the scheme last year, calling on businesses and communities to apply for funding to trial the vast potential of 5G technology.

The first trials to receive funds include: exploring the use of the new technology to monitor the environment in North Yorkshire in an effort to develop an early warning system for flooding; experimenting with how 5G can help coastal search and rescue in Dorset; and testing how it can help the production of electric vehicles in a project led by Ford and Vodafone.

However, the government, which announced on Thursday that its funding for the scheme would increase from £35m to £65m, said it would not award any funds to projects that aimed to involve the Chinese telecoms equipment group Huawei.

thinking.

Umm, early warning of floods is all very well, but if the warnings are not acted on, or the action is insufficient, it really doesn't help.

I suspect that the biggest single improvement for coastal waters would be effective total 3G/4G coverage. After all, it is phones with those capabilities which are in the hands of everyone right now. 5G kit is, despite some (albeit very limited) availability, an extremely low proportion of the mix. Too much of the coast round here does not have any coverage on EE, Three or Vodafone.

As I understand, even when 5G is common in big cities, it has range limitations which probably mean 3G/4G will continue to be extremely important indefinitely.

 

[Woosh]

that list of funded schemes does not make the advantage of 5G obvious which is high speed, low latency.
I could think of something like cheap robots doing fruit picking, the robots capture video for the farm's AI computer to process and send back instructions telling the robots how to pick the fruit.

 

[Zlatan]

Tony Blair blasts 'hopelessly out of date' Jeremy Corbyn

The former prime minister used a speech this morning to mark the creation of the Labour Party to criticise the current state of the political vehicle which he led to three election victories.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Yes, Blair made mistakes but he got elected and would have again. Labour should have listened to him and Campbell pre election and should now.

 

[oldgroaner]

I can’t see what the problem is. People voted to end low skilled immigration, so presumably they wanted all the fish gutting, toilet cleaning, bum wiping, field working, pizza making, chamber maid type jobs for themselves and their graduate children. Why wouldn’t they? All of that neurosurgery and other medical shite can be done by the foreigners, that’s all they’re fit for.

Result! Everyone is happy.

Classic!

 

[oyster]

that list of funded schemes does not make the advantage of 5G obvious which is high speed, low latency.
I could think of something like cheap robots doing fruit picking, the robots capture video for the farm's AI computer to process and send back instructions telling the robots how to pick the fruit.

I struggle to understand what advantages 5G would have over, say, a good local wifi, for electric vehicle production?

I think we'd all imagine any vehicle production being located in one, or a few, physical locations. So not much of an issue setting up wifi at each site. And, with large data volumes, your own wifi is almost certainly cheaper over the longer time frame.

However, if it is effectively the vehicle manufacturer's private 5G system, that might make sense but I don't think that is what most of us think 5G is. (Of course, private and public could operate on the same hardware simultaneously.)

 

[flecc]

I suspect that the biggest single improvement for coastal waters would be effective total 3G/4G coverage.

Not just coastal waters, in many parts of my London Borough, including mine, there isn't even half a G, no phone signal at all.

If a basic mobile phone signal can't be provided throughout our capital city, there's not a cat in hell's chance of getting 5G to work across this country in the way the optimists like Woosh think it will.

Over the last 70 odd years we've become world leaders in doing almost everything badly or not at all.
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[Zlatan]

Classic!

There is a degree of hypocrisy going on around this subject.
If some factory, franchise or outlet (Sports Direct?) relied on having to pay beneath minimum wage, with shocking working conditions, zero hours contracts with workers stuck outside in all weathers everybody would be up in arms, but when farmers need cheap labour to pick fruit, hopps or whatever its ok for them to bring in cheap unprotected workers from EU states.?
If a business cant survive whilst paying living decent wages, with decent conditions for its slaves well it shouldn't survive should it.
We all criticise Mike Ashley for profitting from zero hours contracts but then get all flouncy when EU slaves wont be able to cross border to pick our potatoes. EU needs those cross border slaves for its experiment to work. Freedom of movement for the overworked, underpaid, under priviliged is essential. One of aspects about us leaving that really worries me is I wont be able to get my Porsche and Jag cleaned cheaply by those Polish chaps living under local bridge down by the canal. What will Boris do about that.

 

[jonathan.agnew]

Tony Blair blasts 'hopelessly out of date' Jeremy Corbyn

The former prime minister used a speech this morning to mark the creation of the Labour Party to criticise the current state of the political vehicle which he led to three election victories.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Yes, Blair made mistakes but he got elected and would have again. Labour should have listened to him and Campbell pre election and should now.

Blair was a populist conservative, much like trump or boris, without corbyn's integrity (or any). And what did it get us? (a destabilised middle east, brown's raid on pensions and over inflating of property prices). Populism and lack of integrity may win elections with our first pass the post uninformed electorate, but has dire consequences long term

 

[Zlatan]

Blair was a populist conservative, much like trump or boris, without corbyn's integrity (or any). And what did it get us? (a destabilised middle east, brown's raid on pensions and over inflating of property prices). Populism and lack of integrity may win elections with our first pass the post uninformed electorate, but has dire consequences long term

Ofcourse it has, and thats far worse than Boris is it? You cant have it both ways Agnew. You dont want Tories yet you also dont want a Labour that might get power. No what you want is Corbyn or his radical brand of dead socialism. Thats why we now have most right wing government in history. And we, ll be keeping it.

 

[flecc]

Blair was a populist conservative, much like trump or boris, without corbyn's integrity (or any). And what did it get us? (a destabilised middle east, brown's raid on pensions and over inflating of property prices).

Plus a large and unsustainable increase in the national debt, leading directly to the austerity we had to suffer later in consequence.

Blair and Brown were thieves from the future to give an illusion that they were successful. They were in fact a disaster in most respects and we never need their likes back again.
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[Woosh]

There is a degree of hypocrisy going on around this subject.
If some factory, franchise or outlet (Sports Direct?) relied on having to pay beneath minimum wage, with shocking working conditions, zero hours contracts with workers stuck outside in all weathers everybody would be up in arms, but when farmers need cheap labour to pick fruit, hopps or whatever its ok for them to bring in cheap unprotected workers from EU states.?
If a business cant survive whilst paying living decent wages, with decent conditions for its slaves well it shouldn't survive should it.
We all criticise Mike Ashley for profitting from zero hours contracts but then get all flouncy when EU slaves wont be able to cross border to pick our potatoes. EU needs those cross border slaves for its experiment to work. Freedom of movement for the overworked, underpaid, under priviliged is essential. One of aspects about us leaving that really worries me is I wont be able to get my Porsche and Jag cleaned cheaply by those Polish chaps living under local bridge down by the canal. What will Boris do about that.

I think the problem is in the expectation gap. We know we need about 70,000 additional fruit pickers in the summer, 100,000 shift workers in the hospitality sectors, 100,000 in the care sector. It's easy for politicians to say 'invest' - but there aren't machines capable of doing those jobs.
I think there are about 2 millions 'economic inactives' who could possibly rejoin the workforce but persuading them to take on those jobs will be a challenge. Among the 2 millions, less than 100,000 are physically fit for manual labour.

 

[Zlatan]

I think the problem is in the expectation gap. We know we need about 70,000 additional fruit pickers in the summer, 100,000 shift workers in the hospitality sectors, 100,000 in the care sector. It's easy for politicians to say 'invest' - but there aren't machines capable of doing those jobs.
I think there are about 2 millions 'economic inactives' who could possibly rejoin the workforce but persuading them to take on those jobs will be a challenge. Among the 2 millions, less than 100,000 are physically fit for manual labour.

People are rarely attracted to work, in most cases its the pay that does the attracting, the work merely a necessary evil that goes with it. If those 70,000 jobs paid decently there wouldnt be a problem. The problem you point out is simply that employees are underpaying and have an expectation to be able to do so. Bringing in foreign workers is merely finding an underpriviliged group to take advantage of. It should not be allowed, in or out of EU.