Brexit, for once some facts.

[Woosh]

Problem is, how long will it be before people twig and disatisfaction with the relationship with the EU bubbles up again?

I think many have twigged but still believe that they made the right choice.
You won't find may who claim life will be better compared to those who think the opposite.However, they think they saved this country from being absorbed into the US of E and you can't put a price tag on that one.

 

[oyster]

I think many have twigged but still believe that they made the right choice.
You won't find may who claim life will be better compared to those who think the opposite.However, they think they saved this country from being absorbed into the US of E and you can't put a price tag on that one.

Largely because no-one makes price tags big enough...

 

[oldgroaner]

No thanks I'm no fan of wide mouth frogs

 

[oldgroaner]

I think many have twigged but still believe that they made the right choice.
You won't find may who claim life will be better compared to those who think the opposite.However, they think they saved this country from being absorbed into the US of E and you can't put a price tag on that one.

Yes you can it is refusing to accept the inevitable, and that doesn't come cheap

 

[flecc]

I think many have twigged but still believe that they made the right choice.
You won't find may who claim life will be better compared to those who think the opposite.However, they think they saved this country from being absorbed into the US of E and you can't put a price tag on that one.

I meant twigged in a future sense, after we've continued to integrate even further into the EU over time.

I'm convinced the Tories never had any intention of us leaving and will gradually undo what has just happened, if only because that will be essential for survival in the modern world. The Great Repeal Bill retaining the EU laws was a handy convenience to that end. Trump and his weird ways are a temporary irrelevance, the USA has always wanted us to be a part of Europe as convenient access for them so we'll have co-operation there.

Our merging back into the EU will be slow at first with such as combined ventures and popular measures like defence and anti-crime measures etc, but eventually the rejoining and co-operation will be enough to disturb the Little Englanders again.
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[vfr400]

A nice analysis from an independent observer:

 

[oldgroaner]

I meant twigged in a future sense, after we've continued to integrate even further into the EU over time.

I'm convinced the Tories never had any intention of us leaving and will gradually undo what has just happened, if only because that will be essential for survival in the modern world. The Great Repeal Bill retaining the EU laws was a handy convenience to that end. Trump and his weird ways are a temporary irrelevance, the USA has always wanted us to be a part of Europe as convenient access for them so we'll have co-operation there.

Our merging back into the EU will be slow at first with such as combined ventures and popular measures like defence and anti-crime measures etc, but eventually the rejoining and co-operation will be enough to disturb the Little Englanders again.
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Like me, most of them will be long gone

 

[flecc]

A nice analysis from an independent observer:

No, the UK will be the only one, especially when the others see how much we will still be in the EU and what it's cost us.
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[oldgroaner]

No, the UK will be the only one, especially when the others see how much we will still be in the EU and what it's cost us.
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The latest assessment is that the costs since the referendum have already exceeded the cost of our entire 47 years membership fees by a large margin, and all for nothing
Why would anyone be encouraged to make the same mistake?

 

[Woosh]

I'm convinced the Tories never had any intention of us leaving and will gradually undo what has just happened, if only because that will be essential for survival in the modern world. The Great Repeal Bill retaining the EU laws was a handy convenience to that end. Trump and his weird ways are a temporary irrelevance, the USA has always wanted us to be a part of Europe as convenient access for them so we'll have co-operation there.

But Trump may win another term, BJ may not get a deal with the EU nor with the USA by the end of the year. Then what?

As they say, the proof of brexit is in the leaving.

 

[flecc]

The latest assessment is that the costs since the referendum have already exceeded the cost of our entire 47 years membership fees by a large margin, and all for nothing
Why would anyone be encouraged to make the same mistake?

Exactly, and it's pointless listening to English Leavers opinions on what the continental counties will do.

What they fail to realise about the mainland European countries is they don't all have the same sort of attachment to sovereignty. Some weren't even countries until quite recently. Some have their identities split between two or more native populations left from their origins, so have no common sovereignty.

Others have been ruled over by diverse nations, sometimes many times, so again have various identities and no common history. That's because unlike us, they aren't islands and their borders have constantly changed.

They sometimes even walk, cycle or drive to work each day in another country, and popping into another country in the evening or at weekends to see their relatives is commonplace.

All these things mean they are far less likely to want to split apart, and are probably why they've worked so well together within the EU, something that has eluded us.
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[flecc]

But Trump may win another term, BJ may not get a deal with the EU nor with the USA by the end of the year. Then what?

As they say, the proof of brexit is in the leaving.

That's short term again, I was speaking of the future beyond Trump etc. Nothing is going to change with brexit immediately, no need to since it's going to be a sham exit anyway.
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[oldgroaner]

Exactly, and it's pointless listening to English Leavers opinions on what the continental counties will do.

What they fail to realise about the mainland European countries is they don't all have the same attachment to sovereignty. Some weren't even countries until quite recently. Some have their identities split between two or more native populations left from their origins, so have no common sovereignty.

Other have been ruled over by diverse nations, sometimes many times, so again have various identities and no common history. That's because unlike us, they aren't islands and their borders have constantly changed.

They sometimes even walk, cycle or drive to work each day in another country, and popping into another country in the evening or at weekends to see their relatives is commonplace.

All these things mean they are far less likely to want to split apart, and are probably why they've worked so well together within the EU, something that has eluded us.
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The leave voters seem desperate to have other countries justify their position by leaving the EU, and have a morbid fetish that somehow it is doomed to fail, for which even the slightest of pretexts and the opinions of assorted nut cases are offered as justification.
How have they ever fallen so far from being rational? we have gained much more from the EU that it ever cost us, and despite the thick headedness of the Leave voters, it is completely and utterly not in our interest for the EU to fail.
If it coughs, we will sneeze.
If Europe were to revert to internal strife we would not escape the consequences.

 

[oldgroaner]

Oh Dear, oh Dear

Winchester Tower Norwich, being investigated by the police.

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

Oh Dear, oh Dear

Winchester Tower Norwich, being investigated by the police.

It’s staged BS. Forget it.

 

[oyster]

Oh Dear, oh Dear

Winchester Tower Norwich, being investigated by the police.

Welsh is an official language of Wales. Unless someone has stopped freedom of movement within the UK, (but not told us, yet), that statement is legally wrong without looking outside our shores.

That it is also repulsive in numerous other ways is obvious.

 

[oldgroaner]

It’s staged BS. Forget it.

And who staged it? the police would like to know

 

[oldgroaner]

It seems the labour leadership contenders have all jumped on the bandwagon that they need now to drop any reference to Brexit and ensure Boris gets a good deal from the EU.
Fascinating.
The feelings of half the population are now of Zero value to the political class.
This is getting sillier by the day, and will not end well.

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

And who staged it? the police would like to know

This kind of thing is common. It’s done to smear / provoke / create internet clicks. Just ignore it, they are reeling you in.

The police couldn’t detect dog **** on the soles of their shoes.

 

[oldgroaner]

This kind of thing is common. It’s done to smear / provoke / create internet clicks. Just ignore it, they are reeling you in.

In your opinion, but they reeled you in but not me, with the Brexit referendum, and Boris just did it again, so I'll reserve judgement.