Brexit, for once some facts.

oldgroaner

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With an incredible sense of timing

Donald says he intends to do a trade deal with EU by November so it will be Boris to the back of the queue with both the EU and US.
 
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vfr400

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Front page news Boris now wants to give the poorer people tax cuts.
What logic is there in doing that at this critical moment in time?
And he was voted in as the safest alternative?

Here is a man who is trying to sweeten the voters and gain popularity as a cynical ploy when caution and circumspection are absolutely the only sensible way to proceed.
Like his moron adviser Boris is dangerous to the future of the economy.
Squandering resources is a lunatic policy at this time.
I think you must have Boris derangement syndrome. Which voters would they be? Surely, the next election won't be for another 4 years, and everybody will have forgotten about this tax cut by then. Could it be that the coffers are a bit flush at the moment, or he expects them to be soon, so he has or will have money to dish out to poor people?
 

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I think you must have Boris derangement syndrome. Which voters would they be? Surely, the next election won't be for another 4 years, and everybody will have forgotten about this tax cut by then. Could it be that the coffers are a bit flush at the moment, or he expects them to be soon, so he has or will have money to dish out to poor people?
he just gives them what inflation takes from the same people.
2% inflation = £400 a year on an average salary.
 
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I think it's necessary rather than fair, simply to get such an expensive intermittently used facility installed. As the e-car fleet expands, the higher rate of usage per charger unit and a slower installation rate will enable far lower prices, that also impelled by competition.

And as Barry says above, most of one's charging is done at home at very low cost, so the average cost will invariably be far lower the running an ic car.
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Are such chargers exempt from the controls on prices of resold electricity which otherwise apply to "domestic" supplies? Or do they, at least theoretically, separate out the electricity cost from a charger-charge?
 

vfr400

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Today's big lie
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Boris Johnson claims to have reached the 'Brexit finish line'

In other words he's finished with it, it everyone else's fault when anything that goes wrong from now on.
Jeez, you really do see to have a bad case of BDS. By all means, criticise him when he does something wrong, but getting all worked up over a few words seems a bit irrational. When you get these feelings of rage (triggered), before doing anything irrational, try a nice cup of tea to see if it calms you down a bit. If that doesn't work, looking at a few cute kitten videos should do the trick. As you become more proficient at calming down, you can work up to this one, and before long, you'll be enjoying Brexit, like the rest of us:
 
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Are such chargers exempt from the controls on prices of resold electricity which otherwise apply to "domestic" supplies? Or do they, at least theoretically, separate out the electricity cost from a charger-charge?
I doubt this will even be raised. The government like all governments is very keen for us to buy into e-cars and subsidises the installation of charge points., so they won't be rocking any boats with minor legislative issues:

"Accessibility to electric vehicles is being boosted as the UK Government has announced that there will be £10 million increase in funding available for on-street residential charge points to be installed.

Announced today (Tuesday 21st January), the funding will be doubled to £10 million for the installation of charge points next year. It could fund up to 3,600 points across the country, and make charging an EV much easier for those without access to off-street parking."
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flecc

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Surely, the next election won't be for another 4 years
As I posted recently, he could go to the voters again at the three year point. That's why he's announced he's getting rid of the five year term law, to give him that flexibility.

Although he often does incredibly stupid things, he's never lacked sound political instincts and knows that things could be getting tough towards the five year point. So he could cut and run towards the three year point while his popularity is still high enough to get five more years to hopefully get him past the sticky period.
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Barry Shittpeas

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As I posted recently, he could go to the voters again at the three year point. That's why he's announced he's getting rid of the five year term law, to give him that flexibility.

Although he often does incredibly stupid things, he's never lacked sound political instincts and knows that things could be getting tough towards the five year point. So he could cut and run towards the three year point while his popularity is still high enough to get five more years to hopefully get him past the sticky period.
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I agree. He will get in and secure a win before he’s found out and exposed for what he is, at about the three years as you suggest. Another win at that point would give him a total of about 8 years as PM with two G.E. victories, which will probably suit him. It will be somebody else’s mess to clean up then.
 

oldgroaner

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I agree. He will get in and secure a win before he’s found out and exposed for what he is, at about the three years as you suggest. Another win at that point would give him a total of about 8 years as PM with two G.E. victories, which will probably suit him. It will be somebody else’s mess to clean up then.
I don't think the honeymoon period will last three years!
Even offering Tax cuts to the simple minded desperate for reassurance that their vote wasn't stupid won't stop his being found out.
Even the gullible can learn from experience.
 

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Hideous Duncan Smith is getting nervous
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Former Tory leader Iain Duncan Smith has admitted how difficult it’s going to be, and fears the impact of the UK not have a say in the European Council.

The Brexiteer told talkRADIO: “This next phase is in many senses going to be, I think, the most difficult phase of all.”

“We have now moved outside officially, but in this period … we are subject to European law but we have no vote on that at all in the Council … if the EU wants to, wants to try and be awkward and difficult, they could impose laws on us which we have no say over.

“It’s going to be tough, so for all those negotiations you’re still going to have this running around in parliament as debates are on about whether we’ve been too weak or not strong enough – it’s still going to go on.”


Brexit: For no good reason that anyone can explain
 
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Brexit: For no good reason that anyone can explain
did you watch Ed Balls on BBC2 last night? He was taking lesson in Flamenco dance in Almeria.
Vox of Spain claims that they will defend traditional bull fighting and Flamenco dance from being wiped out by immigrants.
They won local vote and now run the council in Almeria.
Who would have believed that claiming that Flamenco is at risk is enough to win election?
 
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did you watch Ed Balls on BBC2 last night? He was taking lesson in Flamenco dance in Almeria.
Vox of Spain claims that they will defend traditional bull fighting and Flamenco dance from being wiped out by immigrants.
They won local vote and now run the council in Almeria.
Who would have believed that claiming that Flamenco is at risk is enough to win election?
Are the Spaniards still throwing donkeys off church bell towers? I bet they’d miss these quaint traditions, should there be an outbreak of humanity.
 
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did you watch Ed Balls on BBC2 last night? He was taking lesson in Flamenco dance in Almeria.
Vox of Spain claims that they will defend traditional bull fighting and Flamenco dance from being wiped out by immigrants.
They won local vote and now run the council in Almeria.
Who would have believed that claiming that Flamenco is at risk is enough to win election?
Think you miss point Woosh. Flamenco and or Bull Fighting are simply tokens. Its the principal and what they represent.
 

flecc

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Who would have believed that claiming that Flamenco is at risk is enough to win election?
I can easily believe that the Spanish would want to defend Flamenco by voting them in.

Somehow I don't think it would work for us with Morris Dancing.
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I can easily believe that the Spanish would want to defend Flamenco by voting them in.

Somehow I don't think it would work for us with Morris Dancing.
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Ed Balls made the point that a lot of people don't belong to any political party, they vote on on particular issue that is important to them.
Same in the Netherlands, their fishermen do not want new regulations. They see the EU bureaucrats justifying their existence by making new laws.
AS I said before, the EU goes too far and too fast.
 
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flecc

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AS I said before, the EU goes too far and too fast.
This depends on how one sees the desirability of a single federal country of Europe. For those like myself who want to see that, the EU is acting at such a snails pace that any slower would be standing still.

And standing still on progress to unity means there's no point to having the EU, since the present half way house always means internal conflicts outweighing any good done. As witness Brexit.
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oldgroaner

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I can easily believe that the Spanish would want to defend Flamenco by voting them in.

Somehow I don't think it would work for us with Morris Dancing.
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Definitely not, but Dwile Flonking might just pull the crowds!
 

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