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That is very true, particularly where Facebook is concerned. I use Facebook quite a lot and it’s awash with information about mental health and depression. If you tell someone who is healthy that they look ill, often enough, they will start to feel ill. The same is happening on Facebook, people are being bombarded with messages and information about mental health, so they are “catching” lunacy, becoming full on nut jobs and then harming themselves. They probably would have been be ok if they’d stayed of Facebook.
And why like Oyster I'm not on Facebook, Twitter or any of the other social media.

This place is quite bad enough! ;)
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their number does not compare with the number of our parents who suffered discrimination on the basis of where they come from, their sex, their education, their disabilities, no minimum wage, no work contract, no pension, no social safety net etc
They had genuinely easily affordable homes though and the discrimination they suffered was often as much their own fault as society's, simply because they meekly accepted their position rather than rebel against it. I'm old enough to have had relatives like that and it was my generation who rebelled against it in the 1950s and '60s. And it was "fake Labour" Blair who criticised us for that fight for true equality.

The rest still widely exists: Sex discrimination, educational selection by wealth, disability disadvantage, especially in employment where it's got worse, zero hours contracts, stolen pension funds and Universal Credit defects.
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They had genuinely easily affordable homes though and the discrimination they suffered was often as much their own fault as society's, simply because they meekly accepted their position rather than rebel against it.
if you could say that about our parents, why not about the current homeless? I am not denigrating anyone, just want to point out that although we live in a far from perfect society, it's still better now than 50 years ago.
 
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if you could say that about our parents, why not about the current homeless? I am not denigrating anyone, just want to point out that although we live in a far from perfect society, it's still better now than 50 years ago.
There is a very big difference betwen the acquiescence of my parent's generation and their present equivalents who are far from being so servile.

And society is only better overall now. The disparities between the two ends are far worse than ever before.
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There is a very big difference betwen the acquiescence of my parent's generation and their present equivalents who are far from being so servile.

And society is only better overall now. The disparities between the two ends are far worse than ever before.
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Not sure about that last point. The oligarchy of 1913 Edwardian British Empire and its New England equivalent has yet to be matched. According to calculations Rockefeller was and is the richest man who ever lived, Richer than any Paroah ,and he was in good company with British magnates . The difference was that people actually starved to death ,and many had only one set of clothes ,and this in the British Isles. Even 30 years later, the peri natal mortality rates were horrific. The conditions as shown in early series of "call the midwife " , were sanitised for the audience of today. My father ran a hospital which started with a 70% mortality rate in children, bringing it down to 20% .. the vast majority of which were dysenteric deaths. Social conscience would not allow that now.
 

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Facebook is great if you use it properly.
My partner has also avoided facebook - until recently. Circumstances rather twisted her arm.

Her reports of using it confirm my avoidance. She wishes she didn't have to use it.

One of the things I detest about it is that it is the way so many people and organisations regard having a facebook presence as "being on the internet". I'd much rather they set up even a pretty simply website and used facebook only as a way of promoting themselves and making it easy to find. That way, it is still accessible to those who avoid facebook. (All too often, whether or not it is intended, I have been in a position of trying to access some facebook page whilst remaining not-signed-up and it is impossible to access adequately. Obviously intentional by facebook - but sometimes not by the page owner.)
 
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The disparities between the two ends are far worse than ever before.
half of the world's population lives on less than £4 a day.
 

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My partner has also avoided facebook - until recently. Circumstances rather twisted her arm.

Her reports of using it confirm my avoidance. She wishes she didn't have to use it.

One of the things I detest about it is that it is the way so many people and organisations regard having a facebook presence as "being on the internet". I'd much rather they set up even a pretty simply website and used facebook only as a way of promoting themselves and making it easy to find. That way, it is still accessible to those who avoid facebook. (All too often, whether or not it is intended, I have been in a position of trying to access some facebook page whilst remaining not-signed-up and it is impossible to access adequately. Obviously intentional by facebook - but sometimes not by the page owner.)
I think there can be a reluctance to use social media because of a fear of something new / the unknown. I remember setting up and introducing a Twitter feed to my job shortly before I retired. All the old gits about my age refused to go anywhere near it, but they had no idea what it was about or how to use it. How can you decide something is not a good thing if you don’t understand it? Crazy. The younger people, who were at least half my age, were all over it and soon took over and developed things further. Left me behind :)

I mainly use Facebook for the local running and cycling clubs. Both are closed groups and the platform works very well for organising / promoting runs and rides.

Unlike many users, I don’t subscribe to spilling my daily routine and emotions onto Facebook. It makes you wonder what’s going off inside some people’s heads. I remember that following the London Bridge terror arrack, a bizarre competition to see who could be the saddest person using Facebook was born. All of the comments were totally self centred, “I’m so sad”, “I can’t stop crying “, “I feel such loss”. These idiots didn’t even know anyone involve, it’s crazy.

Twitter can be useful for accessing customer service. Many organisations have a Customer Service Twitter presence and I find that they tend to put the better employees in this area. The ones who are capable of thought and problem solving. Also, you usually make contact quicker via Twitter. It’s worth considering.
 
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I mainly use Facebook for the local running and cycling clubs. Both are closed groups and the platform works very well for organising / promoting runs and rides.

Unlike many users, I don’t subscribe to spilling my daily routine and emotions onto Facebook. It makes you wonder what’s going off inside some people’s heads. I remember following the London Bridge terror arrack, a bizarre competition to see who could be the saddest person using Facebook was born. All of the comments were totally self centred, “I’m so sad”, “I can’t stop crying “, “I feel such loss”. These idiots didn’t even know anyone involve, it’s crazy.

Twitter can be useful for accessing customer service. Many organisations have a Customer Service Twitter presence and I find that they tend to put the better employees in this area. The ones who are capable of thought and problem solving. Also, you usually make contact quicker via Twitter. It’s worth considering.
I really do understand - that is the sort of situation my partner is in regarding facebook.

What I want to see ending is the seemingly automatic "Oh - we'll make a facebook page" attitude. That ends up putting pressure on people to join and use facebook. Which feeds the dominance of facebook and adds yet more pressure.

I will use "social media" but I try to separate out my use of platforms. Not put everything into one. Not yet a member of twitter but that is largely so that I am not tempted to use it - if I did, I would be on it far, far too much.
 
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I really do understand - that is the sort of situation my partner is in regarding facebook.

What I want to see ending is the seemingly automatic "Oh - we'll make a facebook page" attitude. That ends up putting pressure on people to join and use facebook. Which feeds the dominance of facebook and adds yet more pressure.

I will use "social media" but I try to separate out my use of platforms. Not put everything into one. Not yet a member of twitter but that is largely so that I am not tempted to use it - if I did, I would be on it far, far too much.
I know what you mean regarding Facebook dominance. The trouble is, there isn’t anything else which does it as well and reaches a wide audience. For clubs, it’s better than a webpage. In fact, the running club‘s website has fallen into disuse and the cycling club has never had one.
 

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The trouble is, there isn’t anything else which does it as well and reaches a wide audience.
if there is, FB and google will just buy it.
We use whatsapp a lot. Guess what, as soon as whatsapp becomes popular, FB bought it.
Same with Softbank buying ARM holding.
that's the danger. There ought to be a law to stop mono and duopolies.
 

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Interesting article. It seems Mazda are saying anything much over a 35kwh battery is as environmentally as damaging as ICE. (source of study in article). Consequently this car only comes with a 35kwh battery, anyone wanting more than the 109 mile range has to have a "small Rotary ICE range extender" under bonnet. Sort ofdefeats object and is in conflict with Tesla's views.????
 
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From Unherd re The NY Times:
In June 2019 Times readers learned that “extremists” had taken over the UK and “A fanatical sect has hijacked British politics”. What was this fanatical sect? ISIS? Extinction Rebellion? Followers of Krusty the Clown? No, the paper disappointingly revealed that the people in question were Brexit supporters and the evidence that they had “hijacked” British politics was that they had persuaded the UK Government to exit the European Union.
 
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From Unherd re The NY Times:
In June 2019 Times readers learned that “extremists” had taken over the UK and “A fanatical sect has hijacked British politics”. What was this fanatical sect? ISIS? Extinction Rebellion? Followers of Krusty the Clown? No, the paper disappointingly revealed that the people in question were Brexit supporters and the evidence that they had “hijacked” British politics was that they had persuaded the UK Government to exit the European Union.
Isnt that just a little disingenuous? Lying on an industrial scale to deceive many may not quite be hijacking, but it's not the kind of informed consent we all hope for from democracy.
 
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half of the world's population lives on less than £4 a day.
I've only been speaking of this country, since this Brexit thread concerns a UK relationship.

In any case a currency value is meaningless, as my sister and her partner showed by living well and running a vehicle for over two decades on just under £60 a week RAF pension in India, Pakistan, West Africa and South America, before settling down in Bulgaria after buying three properties there for almost £10k total. That was one to live in, two for investment. Capitalist scum! ;)
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Interesting article. It seems Mazda are saying anything much over a 35kwh battery is as environmentally as damaging as ICE. (source of study in article). Consequently this car only comes with a 35kwh battery, anyone wanting more than the 109 mile range has to have a "small Rotary ICE range extender" under bonnet. Sort ofdefeats object and is in conflict with Tesla's views.????
If you read further down the article in that link, that claim was debunked!
 
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Interesting article. It seems Mazda are saying anything much over a 35kwh battery is as environmentally as damaging as ICE. (source of study in article). Consequently this car only comes with a 35kwh battery, anyone wanting more than the 109 mile range has to have a "small Rotary ICE range extender" under bonnet. Sort of defeats object and is in conflict with Tesla's views.????
Agreed, it's in conflict with all other informed sources. As I posted before, I think it's Mazda's sour grapes. Tied to Ford for ages and Ford making very poor progress with e-cars, including their failed Think car venture, I think they just want to put the boot in as a market delaying tactic. And of course it gives Mazda a chance to get more mileage out of their Wankel rotary engine patents.
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Isnt that just a little disingenuous? Lying on an industrial scale to deceive many may not quite be hijacking, but it's not the kind of informed consent we all hope for from democracy.
Just about all the mainstream press and media are disingenuous. When Rachel Maddow of CNN was sued for telling lies about someone, her defence was that everything she says is understood to be opinion rather than fact, so nobody would take it that the guy actually did what she said and the guy's character wouldn't actually be harmed. The Judge found in her favour.
 

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I know what you mean regarding Facebook dominance. The trouble is, there isn’t anything else which does it as well and reaches a wide audience. For clubs, it’s better than a webpage. In fact, the running club‘s website has fallen into disuse and the cycling club has never had one.
We've found that the probem is that Facebook sabotages an organisation's website with its alternative. In fact Facebook is far inferior to our website in that it's only convenient for the minute to minute stuff, news etc.

The website is far more convenient for our large specific galleries and management pages and those who rely on Facebook alone miss most of what is available.

Facebook suits this age of what the TV people call the 15 second attention span, but for some of us who are better than that, Facebook is a very poor substitute for many organisation's good websites.
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