But when that self interest results in being a member of an unhappy society, which we certainly have in the UK at present, it becomes unenlightened self interest.
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Brexit, for once some facts.
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These oh so wise middle age Tory voters should start asking what the costs are of their taking the country on a trip to Fairy land.
This from the National Audit Office
"The UK has not required trade negotiation skills for the past 40 years because the European Commission has negotiated agreements on behalf of the UK. After it leaves the EU, the UK will negotiate on its own behalf against highly experienced trading partners. DIT’s Trade Policy Group, which oversees all trade negotiations, has grown from 119 staff when it was established in 2016 to around 650 staff in 2019. The group is also supported by 66 lawyers, and 86 trade analysts from the wider department and a team of 60 Department for International Development (DFID) staff leading on UK trade with developing countries. DIT considers it still needs 135 additional staff
So we go "Global" with a cast of 1,000 amateurs to outwit many times that number of experienced Trade Deal negotiators?
From the Government that can't organise leaving the EU with a "Bell end?"
And wants incidentally to inflict the House of Lords on York???
What has York done to deserve being used a a Dump for Westminster undesirables?
This from the National Audit Office
"The UK has not required trade negotiation skills for the past 40 years because the European Commission has negotiated agreements on behalf of the UK. After it leaves the EU, the UK will negotiate on its own behalf against highly experienced trading partners. DIT’s Trade Policy Group, which oversees all trade negotiations, has grown from 119 staff when it was established in 2016 to around 650 staff in 2019. The group is also supported by 66 lawyers, and 86 trade analysts from the wider department and a team of 60 Department for International Development (DFID) staff leading on UK trade with developing countries. DIT considers it still needs 135 additional staff
So we go "Global" with a cast of 1,000 amateurs to outwit many times that number of experienced Trade Deal negotiators?
From the Government that can't organise leaving the EU with a "Bell end?"
And wants incidentally to inflict the House of Lords on York???
What has York done to deserve being used a a Dump for Westminster undesirables?
More likely because there's a pandemic of Early onset Dementia.
Careful OG ..you are giving ammunition away!More likely because there's a pandemic of Early onset Dementia.
JC pretends that his manifesto could be paid by taxing more the top 5% earners.
That most voters don't believe him is easy to see why.
I think that view is a bit out of date. Hopefully, their new democratic government will be able to improve things when they get elected soon.
Stockholm is now the explosion capital of the world.
Sweden bomb attacks reach unprecedented level as gangs feud
Police say lack of fatalities ‘incredibly lucky’ after 30 bomb squad call-outs in two months
www.theguardian.com
Yes, but it's an immigration caused problem, not endemic to the country or its native population and it will be brought under control.I think that view is a bit out of date. Hopefully, their new democratic government will be able to improve things when they get elected soon.
Stockholm is now the explosion capital of the world.
Sweden bomb attacks reach unprecedented level as gangs feud
Police say lack of fatalities ‘incredibly lucky’ after 30 bomb squad call-outs in two months
The fact that it's taking time is evidence of how unusual it is in this happy country, the police having to learn how to deal with a problem very new to them.
They are certainly not the world's explosion capital, Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya easily outqualify it.
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Yes, but they have all that space to go and play in. They may not live there, but the space is available. We just keep building and building and building, swallowing up fields and other spaces, just to try and keep pace with the runaway population growth.
Bearing in mind most voted for boris and his bus, I wouldnt take that as ONS level critique.
I have to disagree again. We also have a hugely unbalanced population distribution with a very high South East density. And didn't you notice OG's mention of the sparcely populated Scotland, not to mention the large open areas the North of England enjoys. The Welsh also have plenty of space to frolic in. And like the Swede's we are surrounded by plenty of sea for water leisure pursuits.
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Roubles will do nicely sir!
Just to remind everyone who funded the Tory party before the GE
Business Insider has reported that the prime minister's party received £5.6 million in donations in the first week of the campaign, from senior business figures and hedge funds, more than 25 times the amount raised by the opposition Labour party.
The largest single donation received in the first week of the campaign was £200,000 from Lubov Chernukhin, the wife of Russian oligarch Vladmir Chernukhin.
Chernukhin has reportedly paid £160,000 for a tennis match with the prime minister, and £135,000 for a night with former prime minister Theresa May.
Before parliament dissolved, Johnson's government refused to publish a report by Parliament's Intelligence and Security Committee (ISC) into potential Russian interference in UK elections.
Just to remind everyone who funded the Tory party before the GE
Business Insider has reported that the prime minister's party received £5.6 million in donations in the first week of the campaign, from senior business figures and hedge funds, more than 25 times the amount raised by the opposition Labour party.
The largest single donation received in the first week of the campaign was £200,000 from Lubov Chernukhin, the wife of Russian oligarch Vladmir Chernukhin.
Chernukhin has reportedly paid £160,000 for a tennis match with the prime minister, and £135,000 for a night with former prime minister Theresa May.
Before parliament dissolved, Johnson's government refused to publish a report by Parliament's Intelligence and Security Committee (ISC) into potential Russian interference in UK elections.
I don't remember THAT story!
Mind, it reminded me of this fairly old story about TM's shoes...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/oct/09/gender.fashion
the internet makes a lot of people feel unhappy.
other than that, we live in a more equitable society than our parents and their parents before that.
Tell that to the many homeless or in temporary accommodation who live in this society with its many billionaires and countless millionaires.
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Are you sure that wasn’t £135,000 NOT to spend a night with former prime minister Theresa May? That would actually be good value for money, if faced with the alternative situation.
That is very true, particularly where Facebook is concerned. I use Facebook quite a lot and it’s awash with information about mental health and depression. If you tell someone who is healthy that they look ill, often enough, they will start to feel ill. The same is happening on Facebook, people are being bombarded with messages and information about mental health, so they are “catching” lunacy, becoming full on nut jobs and then harming themselves. They probably would have been be ok if they’d stayed of Facebook.
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There are many reasons that I am not on facebook. At every turn, I have that decision reinforced.
their number does not compare with the number of our parents who suffered discrimination on the basis of where they come from, their sex, their education, their disabilities, no minimum wage, no work contract, no pension, no social safety net etc
There will always be people who sleep rough. Just think of more than 100 millions refugees and many more displaced in their own country because we corrupt their governments and bring wars to their country.